Competition Nitrous the "right" way....

[Hohn]

I'd like to put off replacing/upgrading my trusty stock charger, so I'm looking at a little bit of spray to help things out a bit. I'm looking to build a system that can add the extra O2 that my turbo cannot provide to take me from the upper 300s for HP to the upper 400s (maybe break 5).

Obviously, this assumes that:

1. You can wastegate the additional drive energy to keep the turbo from exploding
2. Your HG will hold the extra cylinder pressure

I believe that a person can make 500hp with the stock charger using N2O and probably have the HG hold. Why? Because nitrous allows a lot more O2 into the engine for a given amount of drive pressure. It also gives more BMEP for a given peak pressure if the timing is optimized.

We've seen 500hp from a PDR35 with just a cam to help breathing. Why couldn't nitrous do the same?

Anyway, I'd like to try and build a street system that will do the above. The question is the parts list. Starting at the bottle, here's what I think I'll *need*:

• Nitrous bottle (15# is my preference)
• remote bottle opener
• Plumbing from bottle to solenoid
• Plumbing from solenoid to nozzle
• switch for solenoid (I'm want to do a Hobbs switch activation)
• Switch for bottle opener (arming switch)
• wiring for all the electrical

By my reasoning, I wouldn't need a bottle warmer. I mean, pressure drops as you use it (it cools), so you might get a little less flow, but it's not a catastrophic drop off like running a gasser lean would be, would it?

Don't I mount the nitrous nozzles just like a water meth nozzle or regular 1/8NPT? Don't the "pills" fit into the nozzles? Why then do I see solenoids with difference orifice sizes? What are the benefits of different sized solenoid orifices? Do I really need a purge (I wouldn't think so).

I just want a setup that kicks on at a certain boost pressure and delivers a fixed amount of nitrous.

I believe that I can do nitrous "right" on a diesel for a lot less than on a gasser-- I'm just not sure which parts are no longer necessary.

Justin

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Contact http://www.pdwpower.com/



I believe he has alot of experience in what you can get away with and what you cant for the amount of power you want/have. Fellow member Jetpilot.

 

[csutton7]

Bully Dog is another source--in fact I think that's where Jetpilot got his system from--or his first system----chris

 

[COMP461]

here is the right way to do a system This NXd system will control 2 stages on , time or RPM , has a throttle position switch , and also has a trigger wire that will turn the stage off or on , its all software driven on you lap top, the system will sell with everything shown her for less then a thousand in the mail order catalogs , and if you know a friendly dealer , its even less.

 

[DennisPerry]

Here is nitrous done the right way... 1055RwHp dyno proven

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Are they one of your sponsors COMP ?

 

[COMP461]

No but they do help me, and I give them help back also, but the is no questing the capability of the R&D of NX , they have been doing diesels from the beginning , for other vendors ,and private labeling this technology. Now with my urging, they will push the envelope under the NXd banner also. The small amount of nitrous we applied to my motor, are just the beginning. I am sure that that no other Cummins is making this high end hp, , the rpms are necessary to drive a race truck in to the sevens , and a dragster in to the sixes. I am confident that this motor would print a big number , but I stopped because I had what I needed , to totally dominate the competition and run a pass so deep that math precludes them from running that fast at their current weight . .



And here is Nitrous done right!!!!

 

[JHellmann]

I am confident that this motor would print a big number , but I stopped because I had what I needed , to totally dominate the competition and run a pass so deep that math precludes them from running that fast at their current weight . .

Thats hilarious! :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[DavidTD]

Yes they do help me, and I give them help back also, but the is no questing the capability of the R&D of NX , they have been doing diesels from the beginning , for other vendors ,and private labeling this technology.

Greg I may be wrong, and I am sure Dennis will correct me if I am wrong, but when he started adding N20 to diesels, there were no kits available. He contacted NOS and NX about developing kits for diesels and was basically laughed at. They said "no market, not interested". Amazing how a few years of this growing market has changed their minds.



Dennis made his own, not a re-labeled system. An original system developed, street/dyno/track tested and packaged to be easy to install so users like us with no experience with it can make it perform to record levels.



Using their own system, no 24v in the country has been able to run with TS. With there system, you see the highest published chassis dyno graph I know of. And considering what I said above, nobody has more experience adding it to diesels than TS Performance.







Just my opinion...

 

[MADDOG2]

Yes they do help me, and I give them help back also, but the is no questing the capability of the R&D of NX , they have been doing diesels from the beginning , for other vendors ,and private labeling this technology. Now with my urging, they will push the envelope under the NXd banner also. The small amount of nitrous we applied to my motor, are just the beginning. I am sure that that no other Cummins is making this high end hp, , the rpms are necessary to drive a race truck in to the sevens , and a dragster in to the sixes. I am confident that this motor would print a big number , but I stopped because I had what I needed , to totally dominate the competition and run a pass so deep that math precludes them from running that fast at their current weight . .



And here is Nitrous done right!!!!

COMP, People like Nowel Thomas, myself, and Diesel Dynamics were running home made nitrous systems long before a kit was made by NX. I remember calling NX, NOS, Edlebrock etc. and the comment was "you want to do what"? put nitrous on a diesel, never heard of it. Dennis Perry at TS performance had the first complete nitrous kit for a diesel, and I must say a very fine system. Why don't you stop patting yourself on the back all the time and give some credit where credit is due. :-laf

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Hohn I believe was just looking for the type of set-up for 400-500 HP.



COMP, He doesnt have a 1000+ HP set-up, as most people dont. Get a hold of the knowledge from the people that know what you have as a truck and from the people that have been there. JMO

 

[ob1kobi]

Hohn,



Contact Dennis at TS performance. That will be the best kit for your needs.



Ted

 

[COMP461]

COMP, People like Nowel Thomas, myself, and Diesel Dynamics were running home made nitrous systems long before a kit was made by NX. I remember calling NX, NOS, Edlebrock etc. and the comment was "you want to do what"? put nitrous on a diesel, never heard of it. Dennis Perry at TS performance had the first complete nitrous kit for a diesel, and I must say a very fine system. Why don't you stop patting yourself on the back all the time and give some credit where credit is due. :-laf

You still have to keep up with technology , and a non progressive nitrous just will not get it done in today’s competitive , a simple off ,or on system will not allow you to bring the nitrous up and spool these big singles and do it as aggressively as possible with out putting out the fire.

NX ‘s Mike Wood has been a pushing the edge with Nitrous for almost 25 years . the real point is it doesn’t matter who started it , if you don’t keep up with the rapidly expanding progressions made almost every day in a large company , with a vast R&D program, you get left on the starting line. And the now that NX is totally committed to Diesels you will see the same innovations roll out of the engineering department



This new progressive controller is the cutting edge ,in the fact that if can be programmed to bring on a stage of nitrous as the boost rises , you can set it to trigger on a any 12 volt circuit . either come on, or going off on this trigger . you can also bring it up on RPM or time based event. You can put as many as 3 solenoids on each stage and progressively bring in all at the same time . all this is programmed by a easy to use laptop configures program

 

[RCenters]

i took a dry NOS kit from my 5. 0 i added a Pro solenoid and i tried a 40 jet then a 53 then a 82 , i put the nozzel b4 intercooler and with the smaller jets it wasnt much but the 82 was a big punch now i didnt hold it for a long time down the road just some quick burst and also pulling i used it for some quick shots . I tried this with a 2. 7 charger and a stock HX-35 , the stock charger would hit 50lbs on #2 only so i had the map ring widen to 1/4 in , after that my boost droped to mid 30s. Happy with that i hit the nitrous pulling one night and i got 150 ft and popped a HG , and burnt 4 pistons , i dont think the piston problem came from the NOS just other wrong combos



I like it and will always keep it on the truck butt its not a simple buy peices here and there and bolt it on and u have alot of HP u need to tune it on a dyno and have a bunch of jets just cause u buy a 100hp kit doesnt mean u get that u need a few jets and c what works the best for yr combo



u might get by with a stock H/G for a while with small jets but you wont feel much power



Id call dennis hes been doing this for years , i saw his truck B4 T/S performance and he was running 11. 70s in his 4wd farm truck shoot i think it had 33s on it at some time, we couldnt believe it and 99% of the others didnt ether way back then



I need to talk to him i need a sponcer for pulling ,,he can drag ill pull Oo.

 

[Hohn]

..... a simple off ,or on system will not allow you to bring the nitrous up and spool these big singles and do it as aggressively as possible with out putting out the fire.

Since when is a stock charger a big single???



Oh, my bad... I thought we were still talking about my lead post instead of turning this into an NX-rules-the-track worship thread





Fellas, obviously Comp and TS and the Garmon boys are getting the squeeze dialed in. They are shooting for the moon.



On the other hand, I'm simply trying to use this system as a way to put off having to go to another turbo that's bigger and laggier.



The way I figure it, I can bring the stocker up to about 35psi and hold it there, then hit the nitrous to provide more oxygen.



While my HO is fuel-challenged, it can still fuel more with a box and big injectors than a stock charger can burn.





I'll call Dennis when I'm closer to pulling the trigger.



Justin

 

[JoshPeters]

I'll call Dennis when I'm closer to pulling the trigger.



Justin

Unfortunatly You'll have to do that.



There are a couple people around that can't answer questions. They give information, not what you need... . but what is the biggist and best system anywhere.



I wonder if a system with a single nozzle, would be enough?



Josh

 

[DavidTD]

Unfortunatly You'll have to do that.



There are a couple people around that can't answer questions. They give information, not what you need... . but what is the biggist and best system anywhere.



I wonder if a system with a single nozzle, would be enough?



Josh

That is exactly why I said call Dennis. He will help you reach your goals, big or small. But I'd bet he has already tried what you level you are looking for.



Good Luck...

 

[COMP461]

The NX system has 2 separate . 125 orifices in one nozzles . this allows a huge amount of nitrous to flow , you can upgrade to 4 . 125 nozzles, this is almost a extreme over kill. The neat part is you can use this on a almost stock system with out a single jet change . you do this by programming the pulse width. This system is capable from the smallest system to the most extreme with a quick onscreen data change.

 

[Hohn]

This system ^^ might be a good option in the long run, because I won't outgrow it.



Greg, I share your enthusiasm for NX stuff, as I believe they are far ahead of the "other" guys.



But I'm also trying to balance my budget against my fairly modest needs. I'll be lucky if my truck ever sees HALF of the 1128 number you got recently.



I mean, nitrous looks like a screaming bargain compared to twins or even a biggish single like a SPS66.



Heck, a SPS66 could feed all the fuel my engine could ever hope for with room left over. But i can do nitrous for a lot less and keep my instant spoolup.

 

[rockjeep73]

Hohn, I am looking to do the same thing that you are, to piece together a nitrous setup. From the little reasearch that I have done I have found that the nitrous only nozzles from NOS (the one that comes in their diesel kit) are . 125" orfice with no jet, therefore you would only need a solenoid with a . 125" orfice. From what I have found out, . 125" should be plenty for the average persons needs, correct me if im wrong.