No nv5600 in Canada or USA. 5+ weeks in shop.

[Hercules130]

That is a great idea. but the overdrive looks to be the same as the G56.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I don't know the full story but as I understand it the NV5600 situation isn't something you can fully blame on D/C. What I heard was New Venture decided to pull the plug on the NV5600 for whatever reason and kinda left D/C scrambling. . . . hence the G56. That's why there's not really any NV5600s around anymore and why it's pretty tough to warranty. How can they support it if the supplier can't provide it anymore?

ACTUALLY, I had heard it the other way around - that DC had dropped NV because they wouldn't meet DC's demand to drop prices by a substantial amount when Mercedes took over (as they did with ALL their suppliers!), and that when NV refused, DC dropped THEM!



That loss of business eventually reportedly caused NV to radically cut back on products and support. As I have heard it, the change in rear axles from DANA to American was much the same deal.



The part about the M/DC dictated price reductions is well documented fact - dunno about the NV and DANA part...

 

[steved]

ACTUALLY, I had heard it the other way around - that DC had dropped NV because they wouldn't meet DC's demand to drop prices by a substantial amount when Mercedes took over (as they did with ALL their suppliers!), and that when NV refused, DC dropped THEM!



That loss of business eventually reportedly caused NV to radically cut back on products and support. As I have heard it, the change in rear axles from DANA to American was much the same deal.



The part about the M/DC dictated price reductions is well documented fact - dunno about the NV and DANA part...

This is how I understood it as well... DCX dropped suppliers that wouldn't drop prices.



I will also add that DCX supposedly required suppliers to "warranty" their products, so if there was an issue with a particular part (just for giggles, say a unit bearing), then that company would warranty any recalls DCX made on that part (so if DCX recalled 400,000 unit bearings due to a defect, the supplier would eat the cost, not DCX). This is supposedly how Toyota does business and creates a "better" quality product.



steved

 

[betterthanstock]

Says who??

Common sense. Would they rather buy back or convert transmissions instead? To convert to G56, you need new flywheel, clutch, driveshafts, reflashed computer, and new axle ratios to match the old, or if they cannot do that they have to buy back at fair market value.



Under the law they have to support their product for 7 years after manufacture. If NV will not make more gears, synchros, etc, then they have to find another supplier that will make them per print. (maybe in China)

 

[tron1959]

Looks like DC owned NVG after GM pulled out of the partnership and then DC decided to sell it off. I guess its cheaper to build out of USA see article below





New Venture Gear, a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of DaimlerChrysler, in the $431 million Sale of Substantially All of its Assets to Subsidiary Affiliates of Magna International

May 18, 2004



Debevoise & Plimpton LLP is representing DaimlerChrysler Corporation in connection with the acquisition of its wholly-owned subsidiary, New Venture Gear, Inc. , by Magna International Inc. for approximately $435 million, subject to certain adjustments. Pursuant to an agreement signed on May 17, 2004, the U. S. operations will be acquired by a new joint venture, named New Process Gear, Inc. , which will initially be owned 80% by Magna and 20% by DaimlerChrysler Corporation. Magna will acquire the remaining 20% interest in New Process Gear, Inc. in September 2007.



New Process Gear, Inc. will have facilities in Syracuse, New York and Troy, Michigan. The European operation, located in Roitzsch, Germany, will be acquired directly by Magna.



The Debevoise lawyers involved in this transaction include partners Paul H. Wilson, Jr. , Burt Rosen, Molly S. Boast and Lawrence K. Cagney, counsel Stuart Hammer and Judith L. Church and associates Ezra Borut, Rachel Coleman, Cecile Beurrier, Peter J. Irwin, Alice H. Kim, Charles E. Wachsstock and Shlomo Weissmann in New York and International Counsel Philipp Von Holst with associates E. Drew Dutton, Christof Koester and Patricia Volhard in Frankfurt.

 

[MMeier]

Common sense. Would they rather buy back or convert transmissions instead? To convert to G56, you need new flywheel, clutch, driveshafts, reflashed computer, and new axle ratios to match the old, or if they cannot do that they have to buy back at fair market value.



Under the law they have to support their product for 7 years after manufacture. If NV will not make more gears, synchros, etc, then they have to find another supplier that will make them per print. (maybe in China)

Now we all know that D/C is not going to buyback all these trucks just because they can't find a trans for them... . or teach their idiot R&R boys how to actually rebuild them... imagine that concept!! Actually fix something instead of swapping around parts!

 

[DPKetchum]

With dana it was a quality issue. The failure rate on Jeep Gran Cherokees was outa site. D. C. warned Dana several times over a three year period that if the quailty did not improve they(Dana)was OUT! Dana said they had majority of their work force hit retirement age and they knew the quality had fallen off with the NEW work force that was coming on board.

 

[rbattelle]

ACTUALLY, I had heard it the other way around - that DC had dropped NV because they wouldn't meet DC's demand to drop prices by a substantial amount when Mercedes took over (as they did with ALL their suppliers!), and that when NV refused, DC dropped THEM!

Do you have a source for this? It doesn't make very much sense, since DC continues to use a number of NVG products (transfer cases, for one).



Ryan

 

[MMeier]

With dana it was a quality issue. The failure rate on Jeep Gran Cherokees was outa site. D. C. warned Dana several times over a three year period that if the quailty did not improve they(Dana)was OUT! Dana said they had majority of their work force hit retirement age and they knew the quality had fallen off with the NEW work force that was coming on board.

Sounds kinda' weak to me, anyone else?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Do you have a source for this? It doesn't make very much sense, since DC continues to use a number of NVG products (transfer cases, for one).



Ryan

NOPE - just rumors from other "internet experts" - but that claim, and the one concerning Dana sure did dovetail nicely with the extortion attempt made by the new Mercedes heads at DC who sent out the demands for reduced pricing from their many suppliers - and that WAS fully documented right in the TDR magazine at the time, among others.



It certainly makes lots more sense than a supplier simply walking away from what was undoubtedly one of their major customers tho, don't you think?

 

[DPKetchum]

The D. C. dealer I worked had days we did half dozen Dana repairs in Jeeps Gran Cherokees. Some front and rear at same time. Then Dana started sending remans. Some we installed,test drove and wrote ANOTHER ticket to parts warranty the one just installed. This went on for a few YEARS! I saw a D. C. broad cast live once and it was not nice what the head honchos were telling Dana. D. C. held good to their word and got another vendor. Out of 35 techs or so we had about 25 that learned/did differantial repair cause so many would come in and they got passed around so one or two guys did not have to do every single one that came in or keep vehicle sitting waiting for a tech to get to it. Lots of warranty money coming and going through shop because of Dana back then.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I think what Gary says makes sense. . . my "source" indicating NVG dropped the 5600 came from the boards, so who knows how credible it was (mixed with some of my bad memory, LOL).



If indeed D/C was pulling the strings on the transmission supplier deal then yes it would be expected that they figure out how to support the NVG-equipped trucks for the next 7 or whatever required years whether or not it's a warranty situation.



The quality story about the Dana axles is interesting, being it seems there were a lot of AAM axles replaced under warranty for vibration and noise problems (beyond the ones that self-destructed from lube underfill). I think quite a few were replaced unecessarily because of misdiagnosis though. One thing for sure though, of the 4 Dana equipped trucks I've owned (3 80s and 1 70), I liked the AAM axle in my '03 better than all of them.

 

[MMeier]

donk!! Speak to us, any luck yet !!??

 

[WMcGuire]

I had a perfect 5600 in the truck I totalled, less than 14000 miles, my insurance company has it now, I think it is a better transmission than the G56 I have in new truck, better gearing and quieter. I suppose the insurance company will auction off the truck somewhere. :{

 

[AKaiser]

I had a perfect 5600 in the truck I totalled, less than 14000 miles, my insurance company has it now, I think it is a better transmission than the G56 I have in new truck, better gearing and quieter. I suppose the insurance company will auction off the truck somewhere. :{

You could maybe buy it back as salvage and part it out yourself, selling the un-needed parts on ebay.

 

[Troll]

I had to take a trans out of a new Jeep and install it in a customers Jeep for the same reason, this was about 6 years ago, BUT only after he began lemon law proceedings. (they really hate to buy back vehicles). Don't know if you fall into that catagory.