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I used to race and tune 5. 0 Mustangs years back until the Speed shop went out of business and finally my car got stolen. I ran a hefty single port nitrous system in it and it was way hotter than what we're using with the diesel. The propensity for a nitrous solenoid to stick wide open wasn't so bad..... The gas one was the problem, as dirty fuel could stick it wide open. I have done tests with the nitrous oxide and it puts the flame out on my otherwise useless zippo (used only to check for a customer's accidental fillup of gas in their diesel... if a drop of their fuel burns on my metal table it has gas in it). Nitrous by itself, as in the diesel kit, is nonflammable. Combine it into the combustion chamber and it will react with extra fuel, by splitting the two nitrogen molecules and freeing the oxygen molecules attached to them, using the oxygen to catalyze the fuel and burn it and giving off the nitrogens as a by product. Combine it with propane and it is dangerous at even room temperature. Diesel is different. It needs to be fully atomized to burn, let alone burn at ambient pressure and temperature. This is where we have our advantages over the gassers. #ad
It's been nice sharing the info with you. You can get the Bosch Diesel Injection book at Barnes and Noble or lookup www.bn.com on the internet and search for the book. It's as dry as they get, but very informative.

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Chris Timochko
1997 5sp 4X4, HX40, BD 4" Brake, Marine Compression, Custom Tuned Injection Pump, 370B Injection Nozzles, Delivery Valves, Governor & AFC Spring Kit, Psychotty Air, Water Injection, NOS Diesel Kit, 6" Chrome Exhaust System, No Smoke Valet Switch, McLeod Dual Disc Clutch, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins Chrome Kit, Optima Red Tops, Hadley Bully Horns, Hurst Line Loc, Goodyear Wrangler AT/S 305/70/16s. Test mule for Auto Wurks Diesel race program
 
I have it and I can say it works, at one time I just had the hose going in and turned on the valve, if you put to much in it dyes... . You have to crank it to get it lit. I basically just cools the charge to the point of not firing.
HVAC, I have come to another conclusion of why we experiance detonation with nos, it cools the intake charge to the point that it changes the amount of given lpg to the point of(to rich) detonation, then after that passes it makes more power.
LPG really isn't to bad to use. I've been using it for years, you just have to realize it has limits to.
Oh ya, as far as you heater grid igniting anything including lpg, not likley. It mixture never gets to the point of being able to ignite.
 
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Adam, still working on the spacer and some other things. Taking longer than expected.

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Eric
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Everyone has a "vice". I guess mine is power, and the need for speed. Gotta love it though #ad


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Chris Timochko
1997 5sp 4X4, HX40, BD 4" Brake, Marine Compression, Custom Tuned Injection Pump, 370B Injection Nozzles, Delivery Valves, Governor & AFC Spring Kit, Psychotty Air, Water Injection, NOS Diesel Kit, 6" Chrome Exhaust System, No Smoke Valet Switch, McLeod Dual Disc Clutch, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins Chrome Kit, Optima Red Tops, Hadley Bully Horns, Hurst Line Loc, Goodyear Wrangler AT/S 305/70/16s. Test mule for Auto Wurks Diesel race program
 
Stack'd, you "Pot callin' the Kettle Black"!!! #ad
Fess up now, you've experimented a bit although you didn't inhale #ad
 
Since all you druggies are on this thread at the same time, I got a question. what seems to be the Max Timing advance that can be run with propane? I'm currently running 20 deg. advance. If I put more than 18-20 lbs of propane in the boiler I get some serious detonation. If I back off on the timing will I be able to run more propane, or am I going in the wrong direction here?
Don

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Ol' WHEEZER
96 2500 4x4 5spd 3. 54 grs, #10 TST plate, AFC spring kit, 16 cm turbo, CUSTOM 4" exhaust, (turbo to tail), K&N RE-0880 filter, TST guages, 370HP injectors, 3800 rpm governor spring kit, Slightly advanced timing(20deg. ) Powershot 2000 propane injection system Mcleod dual disc clutch(street), 305/70r16 Goodyear Wrangler MT tires, Linex Liner and Rockers,
 
Big_DQ, let us know what the vendor of your propane system has to say regarding your question.

The timing spec you mentioned seems a bit advanced although I am retarded #ad

Seems to me that you would be better off at 15* or so.
 
Kieth Long at Performance Diesel Has not had much experience with the higher horsepower, higher boost level Rams, his system is geared more for stock vehicles. The system he set me up with has adjustable regulator,orifice and total boost control, so I have some experimenting to do with that. My timing was set following Piers' suggestions after the specs for pump lift didn't seem to work on my truck. I advanced timing until I began to get detonation, then backed off until the detonation dissapeared. On checking pump lift afterwards I have 6. 4mm lift at TDC,with the ramp starting at 20 deg. before TDC. The truck was running fantastic until I injected the propane in large quantities. HVAC, How much pressure does your system normally inject into the intake before you guys start to detonate?
Don
 
My system works differently then yours apparently. My components are designed to be used on a small straight propane gas engine like a forklift. The pressure stays constant and less then one psi. Actually it is under negative pressure and responds to a vacume from the engine. The greater the vacume the more the regulator opens to keep up. I throttle the volume via hose size. At one point I had detonation while increasing delivery volume so I started to taper back till the detonation stopped. Results: 110 horsepower on the dyno #ad
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Gotta love that LPG! HEHEHEhe #ad
 
Hey HVAC...
Were you on the dyno at Javier's place"JG engine performance" or do you have one at your shop??

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2001 FL70, 330hp CATERPILLAR "3126", I've gone to the dark side... .
<<>>Charles Pyatt<<>
*WARNING this post may offend some ford-diesel.com members*
 
Just a note, MAD MAX:
NITROUS OXIDE is a CATALYIST not a fuel.
Call NOS if you don't believe it.
Catalyists cause a reaction to happen faster but are not the FUEL being burnt. The oxygen released in the breakdown of N2O in the cylinder makes it POSSIBLE for the fuel ALREADY present to burn.
>>Better way to prove this.....
Disconnect the fuel solenoid from the injection pump and make sure it's in the OFF position. Next spray as much NITROUS OXIDE in the intake as you want ... . then try to start it, heck get real happy and really hose that stuff in the intake.
You WILL find the motor won't run without the fuel being delivered from the injection pump.
Just trying to prove a HUGE MISCONCEPTION about Nitrous Oxide here.
*Happy dieseling all!!

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2001 FL70, 330hp CATERPILLAR "3126", I've gone to the dark side... .
<<>>Charles Pyatt<<>
*WARNING this post may offend some ford-diesel.com members*
 
FL60, I'm not familiar with the dyno facility of which you speak, sorry #ad
The first dyno run on my truck was last year at Diesel Dynamics in Las Vegas when "L" turned me onto the magic Stage III injectors #ad
I didn't have the propane on at that time though. I was still honing my craft #ad
I have since dynoed on a dynojet in SoCal at Mechtech Motorsports and also at RPM Peroformance & Machine in the north SF bay area (not far from Sear Point Raceway).
 
I was experiencing some detonation in 2nd gear #ad
I did advance my timing above 20 degrees and adjusted the fuel load and pressure on the regulator. System runs great, I just use it for that "rocket" propulsion.


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Interesting thing I found out today. Diesel engines will not run on large quantities of liquid propane. The powershot 2000 system I am running on my truck is a vapor system, with the capability of feeding 45+ lbs. of pressure into the engine. When I installed the system I wanted to mount the tank in a tool box I have, so I ordered a horizontal mount tank from a local RV dealer. I seem to have the wrong tank. Got it all mounted in the truck, went for a spin, hit the switch and my poor Ram OD-ed on liquid propane #ad
What a trip that was. HVAC, can a tank from a forklift be converted to vapor, as I have one in the garage?
 
Big_DQ, your a good example of why I recommend a liquid system like mine. You can get into serious trouble if you run liquid into your vapor system, although a liquid system will run on vapor just fine. Think safety folks. Yeah, it may cost more but think of it as insurance #ad
A diesel truck is a terrible thing to waste! #ad


Big_DQ, you can use the fork lift tank for vapor if you invert it or spin it 180*. The pick up is designed for liquid and has a J shape to it. This is with regard to a horizontal cylinder. If you spin the cylinder so the tail of the J-shape pickup tube is up then it will deliver vapor as long as the cylinder is not overfilled.
 
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