Not a Cessna I want to fly...er...float in

[NPloysa]

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/web_video/now_showing/citation_runway_overshoot_20060904136.html



Interesting! Watch at the 4 minute mark!



Nick

 

[The patriot]

I remember when that happened.

Do you think they'll warranty it? :-laf

 

[NPloysa]

You remember? I never even heard about it til today. Landing WITH the wind, on a too-short runway, in VMC... ... .

 

[The patriot]

I'm about an hour from AC. We hear everything that happens there on the local TV channel, and radio.

 

[NPloysa]

Makes sense!

 

[Cummins Pilot]

I read that the runway was 2900ft and I thought thats a bit short for a jet, then it lists the requirements for the Citation. And to hit 2/3s the way down WITH a tail wind. If you've burned up 1/3 of your runway unintentionally its time to go around. Of course it doesn't sound like this guy had it together.

 

[rubberneck]

So what caused the engine to come to life at about 4min of the video??

 

[Sageair]

It was nice of the guy with the camera to walk thru the path of the aircraft where it left the runway. No use being stupid if you can't show it off.

 

[NPloysa]

It was nice of the guy with the camera to walk thru the path of the aircraft where it left the runway. No use being stupid if you can't show it off.

Yeah good way to ruin an accident scene.



As for the engine I am not sure. The power lever could have been bent, the FADEC, or other throttle controls could have been shorted out and caused it to rev...

 

[MD500E]

I landed there a shortly after the accident. I ended up talking with one of the guys who where there at the time of the crash. Apparently the pilot had a real attitude problem and already had several flying violations on his record from his home country, I belive Denmark. He also told me how it was running around in circles in the bay, but this is the first time seeing the video. As for the restart, I remember something about the pilot never shutting the fuel off and may have even left the fuel control in in the idle positions. I am guessing the engines flamed out when it first hit the water. If it was equipped with FADEC it may have been trying to re-lite after a flame out or even possibly a short because of the water.

 

[MCummings]

A review of the FAA Airport/Facility Directory for the Northeast U. S. , revealed the following notation listed in the Airport Remarks section of the Atlantic City/Bader Field Airport entry, "Arpt CLOSED to jet traffic. " Additionally, runway 11 was a 2,948 foot-long, 100 foot-wide, asphalt runway.



Additionally, the airport diagram for Bader Field, was observed attached to the pilot's control column after the accident. A notation, which read, "airport closed to jet aircraft" was observed on the diagram.



According to the Cessna 525A Landing Distance Chart, an airplane with a landing weight of 11,400 pounds required 3,000 feet of landing distance, in a no wind situation. With a 10 knot tailwind, the airplane required 3,570 feet of landing distance.

Here's an excerpt from the website.



Merrick

 

[Royk]

So, that was over a year ago (May, '05); is there any follow-up? What was the pilot thinking or was he drunk? Any links to the NTSB report?



Totally bizare video, I must say.

 

[Jengle]

Here is the NTSB report.

 

[TPCDrafting]

Two important questions remain.

1. Could that have pulled up 2 skiiers or only one?

2. Why did the videographer stop footage before the big headed burger king guy jumped out after the power down?

 

[jwilliams3]

I applaude the video guy. Biggest piece of evidence of the whole accident.

 

[PC12Driver]

I applaude the video guy. Biggest piece of evidence of the whole accident.

I applaud the pilot. It's owner-flown antics like those that keep insurance rates up for them and keep us pros employed!

 

[NPloysa]

Haha, yeah! How's it going PC? Still liking the Pilatus? Quick question, what's your approach speed on final? Thanks!

 

[MD500E]

PC12Driver, I am going to go out on a limb and guess you fly a pilatus. That is a fantastic plane. A friend of mine just got a job flying a new meridian, and I spent an afternoon with him at skytech, Martin state. While they were working on his meridian I spent some time looking at the pilatus. Very nice!

 

[PC12Driver]

Yep, still lovin' the ol' platypus! Although she's been giving the owner fits with the pressurization controller the past two time he's taken it out (as in runaway temperature mixer to full hot and then shutting down from overtemp). It shouldn't be a problem since there's a manual override if you feel it getting to hot, but I'll reference my statement a couple of posts above...



The approach speed works out to be about 83 kts when we're heavy (a little over 9,000 lbs), and the mid 70s at lighter weights. The PC12 has an angle of attack gauge that we use for almost all of the important airspeeds, so I rarely use set airspeed numbers for approach, climb, glide, etc. I just need to look at the little AOA pointer.



I've parked at Skytech a couple of times. Had our KLN90B replaced there once. It fried on the way in, so it was a pleasant surprise to find out that they were a Pilatus dealer and they could do our warranty work. Did you guys have a hard time getting the heading to slave in the Meridian while you were on the ramp? Mine will complain until I'm about 400' down the taxi way. They must have steel rails buried in the ramp or something...