np205 manual

[swankmetal]

anybody have or have access to one of these? or even seen one? i've been looking with no luck. thanks



dave

 

[DValentine]

Dave, I have some old Motors manuals that have various exploded views of the venerable 205. Your library would be a good place to start. If you need, let me know and I would send you one to use, borrow. I don't think there has been many changes in use between the big three over the years. Let me know if I can be of use.



406-749-0214



call me, we'll talk.





Dave

 

[bgilbert]

Factory Service Manual, the 93 manual is the best one, FSM has all the info you need brother, rebuild the entire truck!! A Chiltons or Haynes will have 205 rebuild info as well.

 

[swankmetal]

cool. thanks for the info. i'll start searching.

 

[swankmetal]

well, here's my 205.

 

[swankmetal]

and i only have one question for someone with a manual. what are the procedure and specs for in/out of this shaft? i haven't had a chance to find a manual, so if somebody can answer this i would greatly appreciate it.



thanks

dave

 

[1 locomotive]

shaft

when you tighten the nut on the other side ??? all slack will be gone !!!my works fine !!!

 

[SteamDave]

Hey Swank, I have a FSM and I'm going to try to e-mail you a few pages from it. I'm not to great with a computer so I hope this works

 

[swankmetal]

cool!! thanks a bunch.



dave

 

[swankmetal]

wow!! that's perfect. thank you again.



dave

 

[SteamDave]

Glad I could help

 

[swankmetal]

so the manual calls for . 000-. 005" of preload on the bearings of above shaft. what should i go with? my first experience with this kind of thing. i'm guessing that less preload causes less wear, but goes out of spec sooner and more preload does the opposite?



thanks

dave

 

[SteamDave]

Are you useing the existing bearings or putting in new?? If your using existing parts I'd shim it to 0. 002" If your using new bearings I'd shim it to the full 0. 005" allowance. New bearings will 'seat' themselves and loosten up a little, so the tighter preload allows for that.

 

[TKingsbury]

Huh?

I'm lost here. Is this the spec for endplay? If it was for "load" on the bearing, how would you shim that (thinking case spreader?)? If it is for endplay, I'd go the less is more route.

Travis. .

Ok, just looked closer at the picture. Is there a cover that bolts on over the end of that shaft? If so, I totally get it. I've never been into a 205, but I may be one of these days. Just trying to make sense of it all.

 

[SteamDave]

Lets see if I can answer this. Yes it is for endplay not preload, I didn't read Swank's post close enough. The book calls for 0. 000-0. 05mm (0. 000-0. 002in. )-NOT-0. 000-0. 005in and you don't need a case spreader



It has been a long time since I have been inside a 205 but I'll try to explain this... . the idler shaft has shoulders on it that as you tighten the nut on it, it snugs up the bearings and holds the gear cluster in place, pulling everything towards the front of the vehicle. That's why it has to come out thru the back, where the cover plate is. The shims set how much play there is in the bearings and keep the gear from touching the case. I remember having to put the idler gear in and out a few times to get the play right.



I hope this helps and doesn't confuse you further

 

[swankmetal]

well it sure does make it clearer for me! thanks for putting that in laymen terms. i would've been reading those pages over and over again trying to figure that one out.



dave

 

[TKingsbury]

Works for me. The only transfer case I've been into is on my Samurai. There aren't really any setable clearances, it either works or it's worn out.

Travis. .

 

[SteamDave]

Glad that explanation works. Sometimes its hard to explain looking at a picture without having the real thing right in front of you... . at least for me :-laf

 

[swankmetal]

ok. now that the t-case is almost back together, i was thinking about what a friend said a while ago about having a double shifter for it. is that only an off road thing? seems like it would be nice to pull a stump out every now and then. is there a kit or something? i can't imagine it would be that hard to do. any opinions? thanks

dave

 

[TKingsbury]

I've never done it, but I understand it will give you the capability to only lock in the front axle if you like. Also it will give you a 2Lo option which is only a benefit if you have auto hubs or manual steering. Search www.pirate4x4.com for twin stick 205 and see what comes up. All it takes is removing the shift rails and modifying the detent grooves. I've riden in rigs offroad rigs that can select front or rear seperately, you can do cool stuff offraod. You can also trip people out with front wheel burn outs or doughnuts. Just remember it is fairly hard on parts.

Travis. .