NV5600 and Amsoil

[roadranger]

Anyone changed to Amsoil 3K series 5W30 in their 6 speed?
How does it affect shifting?
I had heard it wasn't compatible with the syncro's.....

 

[_Hyde]

I've had their plain vanilla 5W-30 in mine for nearly 5000 miles and a friend has had it in his for the same amount of time but far fewer miles. I will probably change to the 3k later this summer before I go to Phoenix on vacation. Guess I should have put it in to begin with but Amsoil recommended any of their 5W-30 lubes as well as the 0W-30. Mine has done fine so far. Thought that it shifted a little smoother but I attribute that to being psychological just because I put something different in. Part of the reason I plan to change in the near future and the reason I changed to begin with is that I've had a nasty habit of occasionally hitting reverse when going for 5th. Serious cranial flatulence! I hope the Amsoil doesn't have any bad side effects, like the molecules of air in my tires orienting themselves a certain way so as to throw the balance off or cause me to come down with E. D.

When I first looked into doing this I checked all the posts on this I could find. Don't recall how many there were but only one indicated problems after the use of Amsoil in the NV5600. What's the current status on this? Anyone? Bueller?

Darren


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2001. 5 2500 4X4 SLT, ETH/DEE, 275s, Amsoiled, Mag-Hytec, Walker 21468, Passenger Side Grab Handle That DC No Longer Installs as of 7-00, Michael Brolin CB Mount, 26K@050701, ICQ: 103247365, IM: xxtreme223

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[Mundgyver]

You already have synthetic in the transmission. Comes from the factory that way. I was thinking about it and the mechanics down at the Dealer said not to waste my money. The tranney already has it. The pumpkins are another story though. If you go to synthetic in them use the Amsoil. Dodged will charge you $20. oo a quart to go to their recommended stuff.

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Mundgyver : 2001 - 2500 QuadCab 4x4 139"WB, DK. Garnet Red Pearl Coat, Agate Inerior, Leather w/heat power adj both sides, 5. 9L HO 245Hp, 6 spd HD Manual, 3. 54 Axle, 21 Mpg Avg in town 24 Mpg Hw, OverHead Trip Computer/AntiTheft System, Mopar Tow Group Package. Add-on = EZ-Box=Haulin Butt, AMSOIL, PIAA SuperWhite 9004 HL's, Acrilic Black bug deflectors, Under Hood Full Radiator Bug&Gravel Screen, Cummins Exhaust Brake, Agate Dash Cover, AutoMeter SportComp Exhaust Gas/Boost/Oil Temp, Passport 7500 Detector, Garmen GPS III+, B&W Turnover Ball Model 1394R, LineX Bed Liner over the rails, Westin Step bars LineX coated. E-Mail at res02cke@gte.net -Working on the rest of the goodies as I can afford it.

 

[_Hyde]

According to Texaco's web site the MTX1874 is parrafin based and I had read other posts here that state that the NV5600 factory fill is not synthetic. Perhaps the tech you spoke to was referring to the Castrol that is used in the NV4500 5sp. After reading your post I went to Texaco's web site again and started looking at some of the other synthetic lubes they have to offer and what is said about them. I only looked at 5 or 6 different products but they all specifically stated synthetic base stocks while some products that I know are not synthetic like Havoline motor oil stated something else. I looked at a couple of synthetic gear lubes and they stated synthetic base stock and were recommended for extended drains. MTX1874's page says nothing about extended drains.

What does all this mean? He!! if I know, I'm no mechanical engineer but what I'm getting from it is that the lube that comes in the 6sp is not synthetic yet DC says its a lifetime fill. I guess the lifetime is at least beyond the warranty period, dunno. But don't take my word for it, dig in and research for yourselves. And let's get some of the more knowledgable people to weigh in.

May the boost be with you,

Darren


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[Mundgyver]

Interesting! I did not do any researh into it. Maybe the mechanic was not up to speed. I took what he told me at face value because the dealership here has always done right by me. Hmmmmmmmm. Does make one wonder.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I am no oil expert, but I would shy away from putting Amsoil engine lube in my 6-speed. I thought gear lube had different properties and additive packages designed to maintain a film under extreme pressure/sliding action, whereas engine oil additives were more biased toward contaminant control and reduced friction. I thought I saw a post to this effect some time ago by someone more versed on the subject. But who knows, maybe Amsoil has their bases covered here.

I seriously considered changing over but decided I'll stick with the stuff from the dealer and go with 50,000 mile intervals. I can get it for under $11 per quart (still grossly overpriced). I figure with all the city driving I do I'm spreading the wear around pretty even between all 6 gears #ad


Vaughn

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'01 2500 QC Shortbed 2wd, 6-speed, 3. 54LSD, Cab & Fog lamps, Camper & Tow Pkg.
BOMBed: DD2 Injectors, PS Boost module, Amsoil air filter, straightpiped exh. , Aeroquip 3/8" fuel line w/tank mounted lift pump, AutoMeter Sport Comp gauges, Line-X'd, Amber turn signal conversion.

 

[Sled Puller]

I see two posts up above confusing the 4500(5spd), with the 5600(6spd).
The 5spd comes with a GL-4"synthetic"(I use that term loosely here!) from the factory.
There was a concern about the Amsoil GL-5 hurting the synchros. Absolutely no evidence of that happening, quite the contrary actually.

The six speed comes with plain old dyno 30W oil. Just like the old Getrag 5spd.
The Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 full synthetic works great in this application.
The only complaint I saw about this lube was from a guy who had a rattle from a high performance clutch, and was playing mad scientist, dumping everything he could find on the shelf in the transmission to stop it.
I believe he was pumping his transmission full of grease last I heard. #ad


Never ever trust the Dodge mechanics.
Gene

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www.awdist.com

 

[46wdx]

I've been running the Amsoil Ow30 through my 6 speed for 25,000 miles and it's working great. transmission shifts are smooth and in winter driving it seemed a lot less stiff as well. Go for it.

 

[Red360]

Deezel Doug,
I was using 5W-30 in my 6 speed, but after 2,000 miles, I started having 2nd to 3rd gear clashes. Dumped the AMSOIL and re-installed the factory lube and the problem went away. Others say the AMSOIOL works great??!! Who knows.

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2000 24V, 6-speed, Flame Red, Agate leather, 3500 QC, 4X4, SLT+, 4:10's, LSD, AMSOIL Air/Oil filters and all Fluids, 275 RV squirters, S. S. nerf bars, Line-x, Autometer Ultralites Pyro/Boost gauges, MOPAR tow hooks, Rancho 5000 steering Stabilizer, Rickson 19. 5's with Cooper C-140's, Sky-Jacker 2 1/2" lift in front, Upper & Lower control arms, DT Pro Fab track bar.

 

[roadranger]

Thanks Red360, your's was the post I had read about the Amsoil not working...

Guess with the towing that I do, should stick with the factory type gear lube and just change it more often...

 

[Sled Puller]

Red,
Think about what you are saying. The oil just picked out "two" synchros and left the others alone?

If your problems were the oil, we would see about a thousand posts out here about it.

Now, I have seen several threads related to NV5600 gear clash with the FACTORY oil still in it. Nobody is blaming the oil though. I do not believe the gear clash problems in these transmissions is oil related, factory, or otherwise. Especially after I replaced third gear in a NV4500 that was bad from the factory. Remember GM has it's hands in building these transmissions!
Gene

 

[TwoSlick]

One reason Amsoil recommends their Series 3000 diesel oil for this application is that it does not contain friction modifiers. The other reason is that it contains a very expensive VI modifier that is extremely shear stable, so the oil will not thin out over time.

The anti-wear properties of GL-4 rated gear lubes and engine oils are actually quite similiar. This is why Redline Oil recommends their "MTL", GL-4 rated synthetic gear lube for manual transmission that use engine oil.

TooSlick

 

[jnlncn59]

OK here's my 2cs. I called Texaco and Dodge and asked about using synthetic in my 01 6spd. Dodge said it would void warranty if I used anything but the Mopar P/N 4874464. The technical assistance department at Texaco stated that the 4874464 (made by Texaco) was a mineral oil with two friction modifiers. My 01 6 SPD only has 7k on it but after 2k it has shifted fine w/no problems probably me not transmission. I did add the Geno's filter w/increased capacity (about 1 pint) didn't notice it made any difference as I wasn't having any problems. I will wait till warranty runs out then go to some synthetic based onwhat I see here.

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2001 Patriot Blue DRW lmslip ETH DEE. Xmsn/Dif temp, Boost/EGT, Xmsn Filter, MagHytec diff w/synthetic. 9. 5', 91 Sunline camper (Home). GVW 10800. 5800 miles mpg @ 60 mph 15 (& climbing) around town mpg 13-14. Gauge readings @60 mph I 10 Fla, 70 degrees outside temp. Boost-8 , EGT 750, Xmsn-175, Diff-145. (Diff runs 25-40 degrees cooler than Xmsn depending on outside air temp.

 

[Sled Puller]

#ad
(sigh) One more Dodge rep that can be added to the list of:
A) Does not know what he is talking about.
Or,
B) Is a liar.

Either way they are wrong.


I am starting to wish I had a dollar for every time a factory rep said a synthetic would void a warranty. It would be a nice extra income. Then, if I had a dollar for every time they were proven wrong, I could quit my job!!
Gene

[This message has been edited by MGM (edited 05-27-2001). ]