NYS DOT gone crazy

[steved]

US DOT number now required on vehicles over 10,001 pounds



New state regulations require that all trucks, including those with agricultural plates, that have a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) or Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) (whichever is greater) of 10,001 pound or more must be marked with a US DOT number.



THESE TRUCK MARKINGS NEED TO BE APPLIED BY JULY 5, 2006.



The only exemption that agriculture has from these regulations is for trucks weighing less than 26,000 pounds that are registered with a ‘farm plate’ and driven only within New York State.



NYSDOT

Umm, my question is, does this apply to someone from out of state whose own state of residency does not require a DOT number????



And again, does this apply to ALL trucks over 10k, or just those involved with commercial operations?? By this, if you have a DOT number then "legally" you should also have a CDL (Class C) to operate said truck.



It would seem bogus if someone, from say OH, drove into NY and got fined for no DOT number on a non-commercial truck... when it's not required in their home state...



steved

 

[RustyJC]

Steve raises some very valid points. For a non-commercial operator (i. e. , the RVer passing through), the legal principle of reciprocity generally applies. That is, if one is legal in one's home state, then he/she is legal in those other states through which one travels. If this were not the case, states could be holding non-resident travelers hostage to their local regulations. That's the reason for reciprocal agreements between the states such as the Driver License Compact.



Rusty

 

[PatrickCampbell]

Please ... everyone... the USDOT # does not apply to NON COMMERCIAL vehicles regardless if you are registered in NY or anywhere else.

 

[steved]

Please ... everyone... the USDOT # does not apply to NON COMMERCIAL vehicles regardless if you are registered in NY or anywhere else.

I knew that DID apply, but the way this thread started it sounded like NYS had changed the rules...



steved

 

[GaryOwen]

Went to the NYSDOT website link in DTroy's posting and it says it ONLY applies to COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.



The question I have is whether you have to show DOT# when using your commercial truck for personal use (such as vacation travel).



Gary

 

[BigEasy]

Went to the NYSDOT website link in DTroy's posting and it says it ONLY applies to COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.



The question I have is whether you have to show DOT# when using your commercial truck for personal use (such as vacation travel).



Gary

If a vehicle is registered commercially, it is a commercial vehicle as long as that registration is in effect. Just like a Peterbilt with no trailer... it's under 26k, but it's still a commercial vehicle per the registration.

 

[jmorse]

As of 7/5/2006 you do need a DOT number(over 10,000 gvw) in NYS only if your truck is used for business purposes. I have the info in front of me and it says in bold print "trucks used strictly for personal use do not require a USDOT # ". Call NYS @ 1-866-881-2630

 

[Eric_77]

NYS has set their state standard same as interstate so if you were from out of state traveling into NYS it had already applied.



Some states the DOT # requirement is much higher (ie TX is 26,001) but you cross state line USDOT apply; weigh station, log book, physical at 10,001.







****These are commercial regs. (ie used for recreation does not apply)****





some states require weighing of non-commercial vehicles, watch for signage ie all vehicles over X weight, All trailers, all rented vehicles, etc

 

[CSnyder]

Dot regulations sure vary by area! I live within 10 miles of MN and WI in Iowa and I buy and sell farm equipment and do alot of traveling into those states with my truck and trailer. I have been stopped several times in WI and warned about DOT numbers and in MN warned about pulling a tandem dually trailer with a single wheel truck. I have an uncle who is a DOT officer in my area who has told me many times Im 100% legal and if they write me a ticket for those things that if I go to court I will win the case because my state laws apply to me no matter where I travel and in Iowa if you are a farmer you dont need commercial plates or DOT numbers or dual wheels on your truck. I dont think we need to argue on the TDR about a specific states DOT rules unless you live in the state mentioned. In Iowa we have specific officers assigned to be DOT and they only write tickets for commercial vehicle violations... no speed or seat belt tickets or anything else. In fact you can pass one speeding very fast and they cant ticket you or pull you over in a personal vehicle. Our state patrol can only ticket a commercial vehicle for moving violations but no safety violations related to being commercial. Sure my buying and selling farm equipment is a business but since the revenue earned is considered part of my farming operation Im exempt from being commercial as long as I report the profits or losses from buying and selling. Each state is governed differently and its just a wise choice to study your own states regulations and abide by them no matter where you travel to.



Chris