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The location of the O2 Sensor Module has been the heart of all of the problems with my truck. Back right before the G30 recall I started having a CEL and DTC's P2A00, P2A01, and U011A. Dealer would check it out, clear codes and send me on my way. The next time the codes came back I took the truck back in and dealer said need to do the G30 recall. After that all was great for a couple of months, then the codes came back. Took the truck back and dealer said O2 sensors were bad and replaced them, cleared codes, and sent me on my way. Month later codes are back. So I decided to do some research. Read up on the codes, the G30 recall, and I had an idea. I went out, found the sensor module, and just looked at it. What I found was a big hole in the module and knew right then and there what my problem was. You see I am a contractor here, I drive a lot of dirt roads and when my tires kick up rocks, they are thrown right at the module which breaks it allowing mud and water to get inside and short it out, which in turn throws codes. Took the truck in and explained this and ended up purchasing a new module. Dealer would have paid for it but trying to be an honest person, I felt as if it was kinda my fault because sometimes I drive fast and that in turn really kicks up big rocks. After that I have slowed way down on dirt roads and haven't broken another module. (but I am now going on my 3rd module) Why you ask?? Because of WATER!! Just like the rocks, water is thrown off my tires and hits the module. Yes I have splash guards on all corners. The water gets inside the connector, corrodes the pins and sets codes because the pins don't make a good connection with green corrosion on them. When there is sand and SALT on the road in winter the corrosion gets very bad. So now whenever I get the codes I go home crawl under the truck unplug the connector, blow all of the water out of the connector and module with compressed air, clean corrosion off all terminals and pins, plug it back in and go back to work. Within about 50 miles of driving the CEL goes out and every thing is fine until the next heavy rain or snow. Ok so I look at this as just regular maintenance (no problem) until, water finds its way INTO the module and shorts it out hence (going on my 3rd module)!! It's to the point where at nearly $100. 00 each I'm tired of buying them. I think Chrysler has a problem here! Not with the module, but where they chose to mount it. I shouldn't have to watch where and how I drive just to protect something that is mounted in a bad place. I can't avoid water puddles, or drive only when it's dry outside and shouldn't have to. I'm gonna go and demand that Chrysler GIVE me another module and see what happens. Also I'm trying to figure out if it would hurt to enclose this module in something and put some petroleum jelly on the connector to try and keep the elements out.



More later, gotta go.
 
You need to have the dealer replace the wire harness to the O2 sensor module. Just putting a O2 sensor module on will not repair your problem. I've already been down this road.



Mike
 
How does new harness fix problem and keep water out of module? When I take the old module off it smells burned up obviously shorted out from the water. School me I'm all ears
 
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Before I get into this I need to back up a couple of steps, I see you are running with a smarty S67 module. Did you have this issue before you installed the Smarty? Do have any deletes installed? Any simulators?



Mike
 
Problem started between 15 and 20,000 miles. Didn't have the smarty until 55-60,000 miles. No deletes. Nothing else added. besides smarty it's bone stock.
 
The O2 sensor module is called a "Smart Module" (Dodge's terminology, not mine),what that means is that the O2 sensor module operates independent of the ECM and runs its own routines with input from the ECM. It also runs its own Diagnostic routines and if it see a fault it sends a "Failure Mode Indicator" (FMI) signal over the J1939 data link BUS to the ECM. The ECM receives the FMI signal and processes it to determine if a fault code should be set and "Freeze Frame" data captured and stored.



Since the ECM has stored the DTC's P2A00 and P2A01, That tells me that the O2 sensor module is still operating and able to send a FMI signal to the ECM.



All three of the DTC diagnostic trouble trees have steps in them to ohm test the wire harness from the ECM to the O2 sensor module. For some reason most technicians seem to omit this test and end up just replacing the O2 sensor module. This "cures" the vehicle for awhile but eventually the same codes come back and the circle starts over again.



I have found that if you Load Test the wire harness and move the harness while testing you will find intermittent open circuit in the harness.



I'm not familiar enough with the Smarty to know what it does to clear codes. one possibility is the the U011A code is a "Active" code and that is the reason you can't clear it.



You might try and clean the wire harness connector at the O2 Sensor module again and spread a little bit of dielectric grease on the connector end and then plug it in and see if the code will clear.



Mike Mullenax
 
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I'm with mike on this one. Inspect the harness closely between the module and the ECM, especially where it runs along the floor of the truck. There can be rub through's at various points and when you unplug the harness and move it, the short goes away for a time. It can also short wire to wire inside the convolute.

If you replace the harness it is called the transmission harness in StarParts.
 
Dealer didn't find anything wrong with harness, but did find some corroded pins in the connector and will change it out for $800. 00 while replacing the transmission. Said the weather pack failed and has changed a few on these trucks. Do any of you techs know,

if while this (smart module) is not working or communicating with ECM, does it change anything with the shift patterns? Or control the transmission in any way? I would hate to ruin another transmission! Doesn't seem to me that it would. Before I buy another module I think I will fabricate a weatherproof aluminum box to mount it in.
 
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This is an interesting and useful thread. One important piece of info is missing, however.

Where is the "02 Sensor Module" located and what does it look like?

For Mike Mullenax and/or Sag2: Does the Cab and Chassis Ram also have one?
 
Harvey, The cab/chassis has no O2 sensor module or O2 sensors. Again another difference between the cab/chassis and the pick-up Emissions systems. The 2011 model cab/chassis will have what looks like O2 sensors and they act like O2 sensors but they will be called NOx sensors. Also the NOx sensors on the 2011 cab/chassis will have 2 "Smart Modules", One for each sensor.



The O2 sensor module is located on the outside of the right side frame rail just behind where the Cab meets the pick-up bed. It's a silver box with the measurements of about 4"x 6" mounted to the frame.





Mike
 
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Dealer didn't find anything wrong with harness, but did find some corroded pins in the connector and will change it out for $800. 00 while replacing the transmission. Said the weather pack failed and has changed a few on these trucks. Do any of you techs know,

if this (smart module) is not working or communicating with ECM, does it change anything with the shift patterns? Or control the transmission in any way? I would hate to ruin another transmission! Doesn't seem to me that it would. Before I buy another module I think I will fabricate a weatherproof aluminum box to mount it in.





You are replacing the Transmission?



Mike
 
Yes, lost 5th & 6th gear clutches. Dealer said it would be easier to replace the O2 harness while transmission is out.
 
They say you lost the 5th and 6th gear clutches? There are no fifth gear or sixth gear clutches. What was your original complant? For you to lose both 5th gear and 6th gear you would have to have problems with three different clutch packs. One of the clutch packs that would have to be damaged is the OD (overdrive) clutch pack and that would affect 4th gear also.



Mike
 
Sorry I was trying to be quick. 1st thru 4th work fine. Doesn't want to stay in 5th or 6th with any throttle pressure at all. Dealer opened it up and found a lot of clutch material chunks in filter. No codes active. If you let it shift in and out of overdrive too many times, it will go into limp mode and won't shift above 4th and it won't let you manually down shift it either. When you come to a stop, it will jump into 1st when you take-off, but then jumps straight to 4th.
 
I have to do a restart to get it to go thru the gears and be able to downshift it manually.
 
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Harvey, The cab/chassis has no O2 sensor module or O2 sensors. Again another difference between the cab/chassis and the pick-up Emissions systems. The 2011 model cab/chassis will have what looks like O2 sensors and they act like O2 sensors but they will be called NOx sensors. Also the NOx sensors on the 2011 cab/chassis will have 2 "Smart Modules", One for each sensor.

The O2 sensor module is located on the outside of the right side frame rail just behind where the Cab meets the pick-up bed. It's a silver box with the measurements of about 4"x 6" mounted to the frame. Mike

Thanks Mike. Another small reason why I am pleased with my choice of a C&C with an ugly steel bed.
 
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