OEM tire size with higher Weight rating?

[DBond]

I have been looking and looking...



are there any 265/70R17 E rated tires rated over 3195 lbs ?



OK, so I would also like a quality AT tire too.

 

[JayWm]

In short, no there is not. What causes you to need more than 12,780lbs of load capacity from your tires?



Only thing I could suggest would be going to a 19. 5 wheel/tire combo if you need something with a higher rating.

 

[Concrete Solutions]

I too have looked hard, and the answer is NO!!!



I'm planning and going the Rickson route with the 19. 5



But with rims, tires, match mount and the internal balancing fill + shipping

$2685. 00. Yup a buck or too there.



"What causes you to need more than 12,780lbs of load capacity from your tires?"



WELLLL... ... 1 pallet of portland 4000lbs. or one 450 gal water tank that sometimes shifts on rough ground no matter how well its strapped down. and NO I don't want

duals. The heavy forests dont like em. H-rated tires Priceless. BTW you arn't thinking

the truck is ONLY just loaded with the tank or the portland are you?



Rich





03 3500 4X4 SRW 6SP HO ST Heavy duty Flat-Bed SoWestFAB Grill Guard/bumper

 

[MMeier]

Can you say..... OVERLOADED!!

 

[klenger]

For $2600 you could could buy a nice trailer for some of the stuff.

 

[Concrete Solutions]

"For $2600 you could could buy a nice trailer for some of the stuff. "

Yes you could!! and I have two of them, one is a highly modded 20' flat bed

loaded with my equipment, and the other is smaller but stout tank hauler.

but for quick grab and goes it's loaded on the back of the truck, the trailers don't work worth a damn in mud. And with a four mile bentonite road to the ranch I have

MUD. I work the road all the time with my Cat Grader. I haul shale and gravel

I WORK IT. But still I have MUD. I don't Keep the heavy loads on the truck. BUT

I do haul them enough to want the H rated tires, the truck itself seems to have NO problem with the weights but the tires don't like it. I'm running Coopers at the moment

nice agressive tread and seem to handle it OK. The Life of 19. 5s is about double +

of the 17s and you only need to buy the rims Once, It does work out better than it seems on the face of it its just hard to spend that much up front.

 

[DBond]

In short, no there is not. What causes you to need more than 12,780lbs of load capacity from your tires?

For me, I am looking for more than 6390 lbs on the rear axle. I am looking at a camper that when fully loaded, water people... , would put me close to the tire rating. I would like to see some margin there.



So what if I change tire size but stay with the 17" wheel, is it the same story?

 

[Concrete Solutions]

Sorry but SAME Story; want more tire go with 19. 5 medium duty truck tire

million options, just high cost by the time you get it all. check out Rickson

wheels you will be impressed by their methods to get you a tire you can live with.

they don't have the flex our whoosy tires have so they best be done right or you will hate them.



Rich

 

[RankRam]

For me, I am looking for more than 6390 lbs on the rear axle. I am looking at a camper that when fully loaded, water people... , would put me close to the tire rating. I would like to see some margin there.



So what if I change tire size but stay with the 17" wheel, is it the same story?

Try this link and take a look at my Toyo A/T's E-Rated @ 3750 lbs. These tires are 285/70/17's. There are more pics in my gallery, hope this helps ya.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147989

 

[Concrete Solutions]

WELL Damn: The word I have got from tire dealers all over is NO! Nothing even close

to 3750 LBS! I would have gone that route over the Coopers had I been able to locate

it, but I was told REPEATEDLY that nothing exists in our 17" size. and the toyo site is worthless as well, as are most others BTW. Just irritating as all get out.



Still do to my extreme duty usage 19. 5s are the best for me but THANKS for the heads up.

Rich

 

[MMeier]

Looking at the 19. 5's as well. GY gave me a qoute of damn near $2300 for 6 more of the POS's that came on the truck!! Forget that !! Cost me almost a g @ 42k when they had to "warranty" out the original 6. Going to try to get another 20k or so out of whats on there and go from there. Just went back and got my 40' GN last week in Okla. , and should be able to start running hot and heavy next week, just had my authority go active the other day.

 

[DBond]

Try this link and take a look at my Toyo A/T's E-Rated @ 3750 lbs. These tires are 285/70/17's. There are more pics in my gallery, hope this helps ya.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147989

Thanks! I feel much better knowing I have an option.

How do you like the Toyo's so far?



I agree with others most tire websites are poor. They put their effort into a pointless Flash animation at the start, and no details inside.

 

[Concrete Solutions]

I feel the need to bring a point regarding tire properties, I am primarily talking about those of us at the high end of the load and high c/g spectrum.



The point is sidewall rigidity, and the ability to withstand sideloads and reduce sway.



Granted, most or many never get to the loads where this really becomes much issue.

and many that do, have the duals which mitigates much of this. As well as the fact

that the softer side walls do much to promote ride quality being a intragal part of

the suspension, absorbing many of the road defects and irregularities.



If I did not consistantly carry High (vertically) Heavy loads, I would not consider the 19. 5 tires. Granted, the 3750 toyos I just now been informed of would certainly

(I would hope) be an improvement over the 3195 Cooper STs but with the wider tread,

MAY BE NOT? At least in terms of sidewall roll and sway. Many things can be done to stiffen your suspension, air bags, timbrens, swaybars... ... ... But on my 03 3500 SWR,

once i'm on the overloads its pretty good, doesn't mean it couldn't better, but it seems to be acceptable. Thats the Truck, the tires are another story, having observed my own truck being driven down the road under load the tires are squishing,

squashing, rolling far too much for my piece of mind. and this is not at weights which

exceed their rated capacity, close but not over. I'm glad I haven't followed it

during some of the heavier loads, I'd just rather not know.



Many of us have observed an SRW with the slide-in Camper going down the road, if you have not looked at the tires do so, especially in high winds or on curves.

In this case it's not just the weight but the CG as well. I have a flat bed which

raises my CG as well, Plunk a pallet on it and it's pretty high up.



Tread width: I learned that it's NOT measured at the tread, but instead at the widest

portion of the sidewall, hence a 265 is in reality more like 250> at the tread itself

less or more depending on brand, type, and size.



When going to a 19. 5 the much straighter sidewall of these tires results a wider tread

for a given size. In reality a 245 19. 5 is within a 1/4 to 1/2" of a 265 17 in terms of actual tread width.



Match mounting: There are no perfect circles. No rim, no tire is perfectly round.

match the irregularities and you have much better round tire/wheel combo.

All factory tires and rims are match mounted. Thats what the little green round sicker on your rims is for, there is a corresponding mark on the tire as well but dealer prep usually eliminates this, check your spare. Rickson wheels say they reject over 40%

of all tires in the Match Mounting process.





Dynamic Ballistic balancing fill: plastic shot inserted inside the tire/rim to help with

Dynamic balancing of stiff hard tires to help improve ride.



19. 5 PROS and CONS:



PROS: VAST Selection of tire, tread, and weight ratings F,G,H Sizes and brands

up the wazoo. Minimal sidewall flex, 2+ times tread life, regroovable tread,

greater puncture resistance, often times less rolling resistance, peace of mind

during heavy hauling.





CONS: High Initial cost, Lowered ride quality, Possibly less snow/mud traction?

(Harder tread ) , And to some, asthetics.



Rich

 

[RankRam]

Thanks! I feel much better knowing I have an option.

How do you like the Toyo's so far?



I agree with others most tire websites are poor. They put their effort into a pointless Flash animation at the start, and no details inside.

I have put just under 3k miles on them and they look like they will be the best tire I have ever had. Traction has been great wether it's wet out or snow or mud or gravel or rock.



What I'm trying to say is I have zero complaints yet.



I should note I have not towed anything significant yet, though I'm not expecting any problems.



I should mention that I had them siped and this may have helped with traction more than I thought. The tire dealer did the siping accross the tread minus 3/4" on the inner and outer edges. When they sipe tires for a car the siping is done from one side to the other. This is done this way because of the weight and torque of our trucks, I hope this makes sense. LOL

 

[RBischke]

If 3750 is not enough Toyo also makes a 295/70r17 mt 10 E 3970 lbs. See www.1010tires.com. They fit nicely on the oem rims.

 

[Concrete Solutions]

Well, It should be obvious to all that "I" would be interested.

I sent you a PM



Rich

 

[Demons_Ram]

19.5 Tire Conversion Problem?

I feel the need to bring a point regarding tire properties, I am primarily talking about those of us at the high end of the load and high c/g spectrum.



The point is sidewall rigidity, and the ability to withstand sideloads and reduce sway.



Granted, most or many never get to the loads where this really becomes much issue.

and many that do, have the duals which mitigates much of this. As well as the fact

that the softer side walls do much to promote ride quality being a intragal part of

the suspension, absorbing many of the road defects and irregularities.



If I did not consistantly carry High (vertically) Heavy loads, I would not consider the 19. 5 tires. Granted, the 3750 toyos I just now been informed of would certainly

(I would hope) be an improvement over the 3195 Cooper STs but with the wider tread,

MAY BE NOT? At least in terms of sidewall roll and sway. Many things can be done to stiffen your suspension, air bags, timbrens, swaybars... ... ... But on my 03 3500 SWR,

once i'm on the overloads its pretty good, doesn't mean it couldn't better, but it seems to be acceptable. Thats the Truck, the tires are another story, having observed my own truck being driven down the road under load the tires are squishing,

squashing, rolling far too much for my piece of mind. and this is not at weights which

exceed their rated capacity, close but not over. I'm glad I haven't followed it

during some of the heavier loads, I'd just rather not know.



Many of us have observed an SRW with the slide-in Camper going down the road, if you have not looked at the tires do so, especially in high winds or on curves.

In this case it's not just the weight but the CG as well. I have a flat bed which

raises my CG as well, Plunk a pallet on it and it's pretty high up.



Tread width: I learned that it's NOT measured at the tread, but instead at the widest

portion of the sidewall, hence a 265 is in reality more like 250> at the tread itself

less or more depending on brand, type, and size.



When going to a 19. 5 the much straighter sidewall of these tires results a wider tread

for a given size. In reality a 245 19. 5 is within a 1/4 to 1/2" of a 265 17 in terms of actual tread width.



Match mounting: There are no perfect circles. No rim, no tire is perfectly round.

match the irregularities and you have much better round tire/wheel combo.

All factory tires and rims are match mounted. Thats what the little green round sicker on your rims is for, there is a corresponding mark on the tire as well but dealer prep usually eliminates this, check your spare. Rickson wheels say they reject over 40%

of all tires in the Match Mounting process.





Dynamic Ballistic balancing fill: plastic shot inserted inside the tire/rim to help with

Dynamic balancing of stiff hard tires to help improve ride.



19. 5 PROS and CONS:



PROS: VAST Selection of tire, tread, and weight ratings F,G,H Sizes and brands

up the wazoo. Minimal sidewall flex, 2+ times tread life, regroovable tread,

greater puncture resistance, often times less rolling resistance, peace of mind

during heavy hauling.





CONS: High Initial cost, Lowered ride quality, Possibly less snow/mud traction?

(Harder tread ) , And to some, asthetics.



Rich

For you folks that have done the 19. 5 Rickson tire/wheel conversion,



Did you buy a spare wheel/tire?



Will the 19. 5 spare wheel/tire mount under the truck in the orginal position?



I do realize that the frequency of flats with these could be less but... when you do have one, where's the spare? :--)

 

[Concrete Solutions]

"Will the 19. 5 spare wheel/tire mount under the truck in the orginal position?"



My understanding is NO... ... .



My plan, such that it is, is to keep the stock spare in place, should a flat occur on the rear, swap tires and put the original spare on the front and limp on in. The swap is because of the anti spin in the rear.



I carry a Pro grade, tire on rim repair kit that has NEVER let me down. Must have fixed

50 tires with it and never had a plug failure. Of course this is tread punctures, the side wall is another story. Thats what the spare for me is for.



Rich

 

[DBond]

... Traction has been great wether it's wet out or snow or mud or gravel or rock.

...

I should mention that I had them siped and this may have helped with traction more than I thought. ...

I can't see the sipes on your readers rig photo, but on the Toyo website picture I see what I believe are sipes.

So you felt that more sipes than the factory puts in are helpful?

 

[RankRam]

So far I do like the sipes, I won't know until I get more miles on the Toyo's though. Right now I have not seen anything that would make me regret having had the tires siped though.



I would highly recommend siping if you encounter icy roads though.



Hope this helps ya.