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As I went burning through this red fuel thread I could not help get a little depressed. I have been watching the looting and the base nature of so many in Louisiana... at a time of great need these utter rejects are scarfing for themselves. I fear we have lost something in our country... a sense of patriotism and a desire to do what is right, not expediant. We pay taxes to play the game. It is the deal we all make to play. If one of us cheats... others have to make up for it. There is something that happens to us when we cheat too. Oh, it may feel temporarily good but there is a hole in our character... a disenfranchisment from a good sense of worth.



I had an employee who always cheated on her taxes and voted for the big taxers so she could get more of a handout. She never complained about crummy laws and taxes because she did not obey them and did not care. She was a classic. If we can't make it without cheating then we need to change the laws and care enough to do so. We care when we follow them.



Sorry guys. Just rambling. I normally can resist anything... except temptation :) George
 
I think the red fuel dye is a different chemical than ATF red, or stabil. Maybe somebody can correct me on this, but it's a special dye made to cost more to remove from the fuel than it's worth.

Also heard of this recent immigrant trucker getting fined 20K for red fuel. Ouch.
 
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I was at a farm auction a while back and the Highway patrol boys came by and swabbed exhaust pipes looking for people running off -road diesel. It must have more sulfer or something because they can tell by swabbing. They put it in a solution that changes color if your running off-road stuff. $2000. 00 fine . :eek: :eek:
 
SRichards said:
I was at a farm auction a while back and the Highway patrol boys came by and swabbed exhaust pipes looking for people running off -road diesel. It must have more sulfer or something because they can tell by swabbing. They put it in a solution that changes color if your running off-road stuff. $2000. 00 fine . :eek: :eek:

I think they were pulling your chain unless the red dye has something that leaves a residue in the tail pipe. As I mentioned, the off road fuel I was buying when I was running my tractors, came out of the same pump as the stuff for my CTD. If I had the off road diesel delivered to my ranch AND wanted it tinted with the red dye, it was an extra charge. That was the only diff. Tailpipe residue should be the same unless the DYE has some shame on you chemical in it that will get you a hefty fine...
 
I've never seen off-road in a clear jar. So, let's say that you pumped some on-road diesel and some off-road diesel. . each into a separate clear jar. The dyed off-road fuel would have an obvious red tint? And on-road would be clear or light green, right? But if the off-road wasn't dyed it would look the same as the on-road? Right? Just wondering... curious to see how the stations around here work since most stations have one pump for on and off-road fuel.
 
here in central calif off road diesal is the same as on road. just recently started to add red dye to it. we get it delivered to the shop. no problems with oof road in any of our equipement. the D. O. T. have been doing alot of random checks by dipping fuel tanks. i heard fine was upward of $2,000. 00.
 
Here in Portland, OR I have been told that there is a station that when you ask for Off-Road diesel, they sell you the on-road stuff but don't charge you for the taxes. I know someone who fills up 55 gallon barrels with Off-Road diesel and then goes home and pumps it into his truck. If people were to do that how would the police and IRS to know. You can just buy it and say it is for your tractor back at home.
 
In Calif, the fuel station sometimes gets an audit. Then they check the people that buy the off road fuel, check DMV records to see if you have a diesel registered to you or your address. Then a visit is made to see what "farm" machinery is on your property. It is harder and harder every year to qualify for off road fuel at the pump. Most people have to get the taxes refunded at Tax time. There is a schedule on the tax forms. Those that qualify for the card at the pump must be a "tree farmer"' and or such. Don't ask me why, that is what I was told. I gave up my off road card when I sold my last John Deere the week I left California. As everyone has stated, the fines are outrageous. I was told it was in the $10,000 range, not $2,000. It may go by a 1st 2nd and 3rd offence rate, kinda like the seatbelt intrapment ticket. All I can say is, the fine is soooo much worse than the savings of no tax. Basically, even at $4 a gallon, it still isnt worth getting caught. At least in California. Most Calif CHP's are $%^&* and they will NOT cut you any slack on anything. I could tell you the horror story about how I was overweight at the Cottonwood Weigh Station a few years back in a Budget rental truck. Basically, I was S-O-L when it came to getting through. I was overloaded by quite a bit and was hauling a small John Deere tractor behind on a 18' trailer. . Big no no. . Well, the way I finally got through and out of that fine State, I reversed the tongue weight on the trailer by backing the tractor to the rear of the trailer. Thus, the weight was lifted off the truck and the boys inside assumed I unloaded part of the truck. :-laf :-laf . By the time I got to Anderson, I re adjusted the load and left the state! So long Kolofornia! I don't miss you at all! I never said that the CHP was very smart. I couldnt figure out why they never asked what I did to lighten up the load! :eek: :-laf
 
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To answer NMaier's question yes it red similiar in color to ATF. We have a pump and 2- 5000 gallon tanks at work for our bobcats and skip loaders and yes the fine is too steep to even consider putting in my own truck.



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Farm diesel for commercial trucks and "others".





I just found a AP news story dated Sept. 2, 2:18 pm, (last friday), the IRS has lifted some excise tax on diesel allowing farm use diesel to be used by commercial trucks and others.



Pickup trucks are not mentioned, but I would think they are "others".
 
JTadra said:
Farm diesel for commercial trucks and "others".





I just found a AP news story dated Sept. 2, 2:18 pm, (last friday), the IRS has lifted some excise tax on diesel allowing farm use diesel to be used by commercial trucks and others.



Pickup trucks are not mentioned, but I would think they are "others".





Do you have a link to the article?
 
JTadra said:
I just found a AP news story dated Sept. 2, 2:18 pm, (last friday), the IRS has lifted some excise tax on diesel allowing farm use diesel to be used by commercial trucks and others.



Pickup trucks are not mentioned, but I would think they are "others".



Aren't our trucks considered commercial because of the weight? I thought I read this before. Something to do with having a shell on it allows you to register it as commercial.
 
Here in OR, the fuel is not dyed, but you have to show proof with a special state certificate that you can buy off road. At least at flying J they ask you whether it is on or off. Then you have to show immediate proof to remove the 24cent tax, otherwise you are charged. same pump differnt price.



Now how do I convince the state to "give" me the off road certificate???? :{ :-{} :confused: :eek:
 
Red Dye Diesel Fuel Authorized For Use On Public Roads in TN

Not sure if anyone is aware of this or if this has already been discussed, but I figured it was good information to have for folks in TN that live in areas where supplies of diesel are low or out. I called the TN Dept. Of Revenue and confirmed that authenticity of this announcement. There currently are NO web links to go to to verify this. The only reason I got the notification is that I enrolled my email address to receive Dept. of Revenue updates and notices. You can call the TN Dept. Of Revenue and verify yourself. 1-800-342-1003

















STATE OF TENNESSEE

PHIL BREDESEN DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE LOREN L. CHUMLEY

Governor ANDREW JACKSON STATE OFFICE BUILDING Commissioner

NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE 37242









FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

SEPTEMBER 2, 2005





EMERGENCY NOTICE INSTRUCTIONS ON SALE OF DYED DIESEL FUEL





Following Governor Bredesen's announcement yesterday that the state is taking steps to increase the availability of diesel fuel in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, this is to address Tennessee's treatment on the sale of dyed diesel fuel. The Internal Revenue Service is expected to issue guidance for federal tax purposes later today.



The injection of red dye into diesel fuel indicates that no motor fuel tax has been paid on the diesel. There are generally broad restrictions on the sale and use of this fuel. The restrictions that generally apply to the sale of this dyed diesel fuel are relaxed for state law purposes for fuel that is sold from September 1 through September 15, 2005.



Tennessee is suspending enforcement of provisions of its law governing the use of dyed fuel for on-road purposes from now until September 15. Tennessee's inspectors will be removed from the field and assigned to other duties. Retailers, suppliers and other sellers of dyed fuel are expected to collect and pay over the sales tax on the sale of dyed fuel. If tax is not collected, the consumer is expected to pay use tax on the fuel.



As a general rule, retail sales of dyed diesel fuel will be subject to the 7. 00% state sales tax and are exempt from local sales tax. Examples of taxable sales include:



• Sales of dyed diesel to contractors for use in machinery and equipment



• Sales of dyed diesel to contract bus or other transportation providers,



• even for government contracts



• Sales of dyed diesel to loggers



• Sales of dyed diesel for use in boats, vessels, and railroad locomotives



• Sales of dyed diesel to all other consumers, for any purpose, who do not have a

sales and use tax exemption certificate



• Sales of dyed diesel for on-road use during the period established by the U. S.

Environmental Protection Agency (September 1 – September 15, 2005).

However, a limited number of exemptions from the 7. 00% state sales tax may apply.

Examples of exempt sales include:



• Sales of dyed diesel to farmers for use in qualified farm equipment.



• The vendor must have the farmer’s exemption certificate on file to support the

exemption.



• Sales of dyed diesel to the federal government, the state of Tennessee, and

counties and cities within Tennessee. The billing for the dyed diesel must be

made in the name of the government, paid for directly for the government and

covered by the governmental exemption certificate.



• Sales of dyed diesel to qualified exempt organizations. Again, the billing must be

made in the name of the organization, paid for by the exempt organization and

covered by the appropriate exemption certificate.



• Sales to manufacturers. Diesel-powered industrial machinery used in

the production of a product for sale on the premises of the manufacturer is subject

to a 1. 50% state sales tax, but no local tax.



• The vendor must have the manufacturer’s industrial machinery authorization

certificate to support the reduced rate.



If a proper exemption is submitted, the seller DOES NOT need to collect sales tax.



A penalty will not be levied by the State of Tennessee for red dyed fuel found as long as sales tax has been paid. The purchaser should maintain receipts to verify that appropriate sales tax has been paid or that an exemption applies.
 
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OK... so under this policy update it sounds like I can legally buy off-road diesel and legally use it until the policy is changed back to "normal". So if I go out today and pump in a tankfull of dyed fuel I will have traces of off-road dye in my system. After the policy is changed back... if I get checked won't the dye show up? Even though I am back to running on-road diesel? I assume then I would get tagged with the fines even though I technically broke no laws. How are they going to allow for those situations? Comments?
 
Given the risks involved with after the fact enforcement and the fact that the intent is to have tax paid by the vendor (or consumer) anyway, why would you consider this unless you can't get undyed fuel? If you are trying to avoid the tax, sounds to me like not much has changed other than some lax enforcement for the next few weeks. Seems to me that people who were already running the red, can breathe a little easier for the next few weeks and people who had made the determination that the risk wasn't worth the benefit are probably still facing that same scenario.
 
I heard last Friday that the President was suspending the penalties for using red diesel on road? Did anyone else hear this?

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