OFF road Fuel allowed in FLORIDA

[JLittle]

I noticed on CNN the other night where the govt is allowing the use of High SUlfur Diesel Fuel (farm fuel) to be used on the highways in Florida! what gets me is if I buy that dyed fuel and say go to another state that is north of Florida and get pulled over and checked for red die diesel what happens? especially when I dont have a reciept which I never get anyway! thought you guys might want to know!

 

[jrobinson2]

Most if not all farm fuel is not high sulfer, it is the same fuel with red dye added as the tanker is loaded to indicate that no highway taxes were collected. Even if it is high sulfer I doubt it will be sold tax free, it should be clear since the dye is usually added as the delivery truck is loaded.

Jared

 

[E7mack96]

THJe way I took it is that you could use the dyed #2 in lieu of regular #2 due to shortages caused by the hurricane. I am under the impression that you must still pay the tax on it.

 

[willyslover]

IMHO. . the revenuers will have long since left the state for high ground and are pisssssing their pants in a shelter. . a non worry issue LOL

 

[Dull Pain]

Just curious if anyone has ever been stopped and tested for off road (untaxed) red dyed diesel?? Never heard of anyone around here .

 

[TJarecke]

I have not but my buddy got pulled over for speeding and got checked in a first gen. Long story short the speeding ticket was pocket change compared to the total. I can't remember if he was in Nebraska or Northern Colorado.

 

[Mingoglia]

I too am curious if you got stopped outside of FL and explained that you got fuel in FL what would happen. Let's say you have a receipt. Considering the red dye stays in your tank detectable for a long time this could be very very interesting.



Mike

 

[amillstream]

I've been checked. They had a stop set up at a four lane intersection and if you had a diesel, you were pulled over and checked. I've also heard of them checking tanks at the markets too.

 

[MLee]

They must use a soda straw to get a sample, I could not get a 3/8 hose in to mine.

 

[Dull Pain]

How do they check it? I have 2 diesel tractors & a diesel generator. I keep a farm tank of dyed diesel for these. Have been tempted a few times but never used it in my truck. Only time was when I needed some fuel to prime a fuel filter and red diesel was all I had, filled up the filter and went on my way.



Do they take a sample from the tank. Wonder how long the red dye would last?

 

[The patriot]

New Jersey

Just curious if anyone has ever been stopped and tested for off road (untaxed) red dyed diesel?? Never heard of anyone around here .

I've never seen nor heard of it around here. Not for PU trucks anyway.

Yes, they do test class 8's, but they dont even look at small vehicles.

JM. 02

Eric

 

[Tony T.]

Most if not all farm fuel is not high sulfer, it is the same fuel with red dye added as the tanker is loaded to indicate that no highway taxes were collected. Even if it is high sulfer I doubt it will be sold tax free, it should be clear since the dye is usually added as the delivery truck is loaded.

Jared

I agree with Jared, the red dye is added at time of transport fill up. I work with a guy that moonlights after work driving a fuel transport hauling diesel an unleaded fuels. He said they use to add the dye themselves to the load, very high concentrate dye. Now it is done by a machine an computer program amount. He told me it was the same #2 we burn except had the dye added to indicate farm use only or off road use.



I myself started awhile back getting a cash receipt at every fill up, just in case I got a bad tank of fuel an caused my truck to have problems. Then I don't get the "well sir how do we know you got the bad fuel from our pumps statement".

 

[2ndgen2500]

actually, a friend of mine got pulled in fl, and they did test his vehicle, it is/was illegal to run high sulfur diesel, but the ticket is chump chnage, a few of us heavy smokers got pulled and tested near ocean pond north east of ocala... but from what i have told, farm diesel has higher sulfer content then normal number two. could be wrong, just thought thats why they called it "high sulfer"

 

[jcbrown]

Pulled Over by Who?

... stop set up at a four lane intersection...

Revenue Agents (<i>IRS</i>) or Police?

 

[Mingoglia]

One could always set up their truck to run from a transfer flow tank (with red diesel), and have their onboard tank store (but not really use) regular taxed diesel. Then they could test the "main" tank all day long...

 

[Tony T.]

One could always set up their truck to run from a transfer flow tank (with red diesel), and have their onboard tank store (but not really use) regular taxed diesel. Then they could test the "main" tank all day long...

They can still check your fuel system though, fuel filter,etc if they suspect you have been using your tranfer flow tank filled with the dye'd fuel. That dye takes forever to be cleared out completely from your fuel system. It's just not worth it to me.



Tony

 

[BRuppel]

i've heard of them cracking lines and all. it dyes everything red so they can tell. search www.pavementsuck.com for the thread on it. there was some good info in that thread.



edit: went and found the thread over there. love the part about finding a teaspoon in 100 gallons. makes you think twice. red diesel

 

[WyattEarp]

Here in Va, i had to make a trip to the local town well on my way down just inside the town limits there were orange signs said one lane road ahead and to my surpise the last sign said all diesel powered vehicles this lane, Low and behold there was the Tax man from richmond blue uniforms and hats that said police but the badges on the uniforms read dept of taxation, they were checking for red fuel and it didn't matter what you were driving if it had a diesel engine you got pulled, needles to say i got a free ride by as i was in my car which is a gasser.

I may get blasted for this but as far as im concerned as long as my gov't(i didn't vote them in anyways) is going to send our tax dollars over seas to rebuild other countries and feed starving pple before taking care of their own they can plainly kiss my backside! But as far as them letting pple run dyed fuel i really don't see that happening anytime soon.

There are some stations across the country that still have off road pumps next to highway diesel pumps and yes its very tempting, now as to say that most haven't ran a tank or two or three of red fuel still remains a mystery, but im sure as we keep getting screwed with higher fuel prices what do they expect, we are supposed to have life, liberty and the persute of happiness right well if my truck isn't happy then my persute of happiness is not happening :-laf

 

[Mingoglia]

I wonder if you could dye it lets say blue... or something to offset it... if it was another "pretty" color other than red I wonder what they would say? Just say it's fuel additive. I for one don't even know where to get offroad diesel around here... just participating out of curiousity...

 

[rholcom2]

Checks in Indiana

Well, I guess in Indiana we have pushed the point and they are cracking down big time. At the road blocks they set up they stop EVERY diesel, and dip EVERY diesel. If you are pulling a trailer you are weighed, and if you are over weight you are required to obtain DOT numbers, and ticketed. Then if you are dipped and are found to have red fuel your whole truck is given the "once over". They check springs, maintainance records (they are required to be in the truck if you use it for business), Log Book (yes even in a pick-up if you are using it for business), they even check the plumbing of the fuel system to see if you are using the in-bed fuel tank. If you are hauling a load they check tie-downs and ticket if you are not properly "tied-down". I only learned this because a friend who is running a lawn care business got ticketed majorly. He got ticketed with: no DOT #'s, improper tie-downs, off-road fuel, no log book, no CDL. After this 1-1/2 hour long ordeal he was informed that one officer was in the motor carriers division, and the other officer was with the IRS, and his state taxes would be examined.



This has been enough for almost everyone that I know to quit running red fuel. Eventhough, you can save a TON of money running it. I can say that due to my friend driving so many miles, he as saved 10X's what the ticket cost him. But, vowes to run only on-road fuel.