Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Off road fuel damage to VP-44-B.S.

[GOTSOOT]

Went to the "refuser" to get codes checked, and the service manager told me in converstation that using "red fuel will eat the seals up in a vp-44 --Bullsirt!! I know that there is a farm implement out there that uses the vp-44, and do you think that the farmer is going to use "on road fuel?-- "I don`t think so! What a bunch of Bull!. Yes I used the "red stuff when I ran out of fuel in B. F. E. , and that is all that they guy had. got the old 0216 code and they "refused" me on this account. I am not going to loose any sleep, over this, I`ll buy me a new pump and for get about it. might as well go get the big-un from Industrial inj. they claim 80 -100 hp over a stock reman? :{

 

[MKoth]

Off road diesel has a higher sulfur content, and is more lubricative then on road fuel. If anything off road diesel is better for the pump then on road fuel is.



How did they know you used offroad diesel in your truck?

 

[jkalchik]

"Put it in writing, sir. "



Then contact the district office.

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

At the Port of Albany fuel terminal the on road and off road come out of the same tank and the dye is added to the tanker trailer so unless that dye is some bad stuff then he's full of poop. :-laf

 

[RJPotts]

Off-road fuel will most definitely eat seals out of the injection pump and any other fuel system parts that aren't designed to run high sulfur diesel.

Correct, the sulfur is a better lubricant, but otherwise it will eat seals.

I've seen quite a few big truck pumps that have been damaged from the red stuff. (Yancey Caterpillar)

However, it is very unlikely you got the old 0216 code because of the red-fuel, it will not do damage like that the first time. You could probably go 15-20 tanks full of red fuel and not see any unusual wear, but I wouldn't temp fate.

Plus, its illegal to run it on the road, and one easy way to tell, considering they looked at your truck, is that the fuel filter will be stained red.

I'd fight it, or change your fuel filter and run a few clean tanks through it, and take it to another dealership.

-R. J.

 

[jrobinson2]

In most locations off road and on road are the same fuel, the driver that delivers my fuel told me the dye is injected in off road diesel as the fuel is loaded on the truck, several others who work in refining or trucking fuel have also posted the same thing here in the past.

Also the sulfur is not a lubricant, other compounds that are removed with the sulfur in the extra refining are the lubricants, the sulfur is all bad.

I know a certain Dodge truck that has over 140,000 miles on it with a lot more than 15 or 20 tanks of red in the first 130,000 with no problems at all. Modern off road equipment in many applications use the same injection components as on road equipment, they are just as sensitive to fuel problems as highway rigs and sometimes are more expensive to repair, the idea that red fuel will damage a VP44 in a Dodge but not in a John Deere makes no sense to me.



Jared

 

[The patriot]

Yup, what jrobinson2 and Turbo Tim 1 said.

Here (north jersey terminals) it's injected @ the rack depending on what's being pumped.

There are some older terminals in the area (Eagle point out by Camden area) that MAY be still making fuel with the sulphur.

I have a 12 valve, so I'm not worried about such things.

Eric

 

[MMiller]

Off-road fuel will most definitely eat seals out of the injection pump and any other fuel system parts that aren't designed to run high sulfur diesel.

Correct, the sulfur is a better lubricant, but otherwise it will eat seals.

I've seen quite a few big truck pumps that have been damaged from the red stuff. (Yancey Caterpillar)

Uhhmm, the engines in a big truck are almost identical to the engines in a combine, a motor grader, an excavator, etc which all are going to run red fuel. The only difference is the way the computer is programmed and at different power levels there are different injectors and turbos. There is no differnce in seals between an "on road engine" and an "off road engine". Explain to me why there were many fuel system failures when we switched to low sulfer fuel. On my fathers farm the on road vehicles had fuel system problems when we switched, while the off road machines that still run the higher levels of sulfer had none? We were not the only ones that experienced this.



Back on subject. For the most part there is no difference in on road and off road fuel. As said above its just a dye.



Michael

 

[Jefff929]

Red fuel I call BS :-laf .



The PUC Diesel is for those who pay the road tax up front with the plates & farm equipment (AKA. off road) Dye is the only thing that is not the same. Someone is smokin something Oo.

 

[MRose]

I've got a new CAT Challenger tractor (AKA, Masey Ferguson, Agco) with a 7. 4L 245hp 1000ft. lbs Sisu diesel with a VP44. And yes it burns red. Same diesel, just red dye. Some times it burns clear and green too. All the same, except color and tax.

 

[Jed]

run red

In so cal all diesel is the same. Dye is injected at the rack. It does not turn your filter red. My truck went 82,000 untill I got the code dealer in Escondido changed the vp44 and tested the lift pump and found it to be good. The test is to fillup a five gallon bucket to a certain level in a specified time (or so I was told) I was low about that much when I got the truck back. Nothing was ever said about the color of my fuel. I have run red all but about 10 tanks.

 

[BigEasy]

Most seem to be missing a very simple point here... there is Clear Low Sulfur Diesel(LSD), there is off-road red LSD, and there is also red high sulfur diesel, also known as Home Heating Oil(HHO), or #2Red.



My point... just because it's red doesn't mean it's not LSD...