Off topic...Charger pricing

[TFucili]

I know, I know, no CTD or CRD available!! Long story short, we stopped by the dealer recently because my brother-in-law was looking for a CTD, and we were in the area. So while I'm on the cell phone telling him what was on the lot, my wife and son were in the showroom scoping out a Charger. Imagine the nerve, not wanting to drive her 16 year old Volvo anymore, thus saving money for me to spend on my CTD and various Ducatis :-laf



How much do you think we can whittle off the sticker on a Charger? Various web sites show about $2K between sticker and invoice. Seems low to me.

What say you?

Thanks

 

[2Gen3Gen]

Give it a month or so when the big 3 are all starving after their stupid idea of employee pricing! I don't see anyone buying anything on ANY lot these days. They messed up the used car and truck market and now they refuse to make any real deal on new inventory. I say, let them starve for a while. I was trying to sell my truck last month but everyone that would have bought it, spent a few thousand more on a much lesser truck, just because it was new. In a month or so, then I would say to go into a showroom and name your price. Then walk. My guess is they will beat you to the door. :-laf

 

[Tomeygun]

I know, I know, no CTD or CRD available!! Long story short, we stopped by the dealer recently because my brother-in-law was looking for a CTD, and we were in the area. So while I'm on the cell phone telling him what was on the lot, my wife and son were in the showroom scoping out a Charger. Imagine the nerve, not wanting to drive her 16 year old Volvo anymore, thus saving money for me to spend on my CTD and various Ducatis :-laf



How much do you think we can whittle off the sticker on a Charger? Various web sites show about $2K between sticker and invoice. Seems low to me.

What say you?

Thanks

Thats about right... The charger is not like the diesel trucks with 10%+ markup



And the best part is that many dealerships are not discounting them much beause they are selling them selves. I'm serious! We cant seem to keep those chargers in stock!

 

[JasonCzerak]

too damn bad they don't come wth a 6 speed. 6speed SRT-8. Then add a little supercharger to that Charger..... WATCH OUT!

 

[TFucili]

Thats about right... The charger is not like the diesel trucks with 10%+ markup



And the best part is that many dealerships are not discounting them much beause they are selling them selves. I'm serious! We cant seem to keep those chargers in stock!

Thanks, Tom.

 

[TFucili]

Give it a month or so when the big 3 are all starving after their stupid idea of employee pricing! I don't see anyone buying anything on ANY lot these days. They messed up the used car and truck market and now they refuse to make any real deal on new inventory. I say, let them starve for a while. I was trying to sell my truck last month but everyone that would have bought it, spent a few thousand more on a much lesser truck, just because it was new. In a month or so, then I would say to go into a showroom and name your price. Then walk. My guess is they will beat you to the door. :-laf

You are correct. My dealer told me that overall it's a pretty tough go right now. As for the resale market, between leasing and all these incentives they sure have torpedoed trade/resale value. Telling, isn't it, that the Japanese mfrs don't have to have a fire-sale to move product.

 

[JVolpe]

I am from an earlier time when Chargers were Chargers. Now they don't look like chargers IMHO and I think anything named Charger ought to have one .

 

[2Gen3Gen]

You are correct. My dealer told me that overall it's a pretty tough go right now. As for the resale market, between leasing and all these incentives they sure have torpedoed trade/resale value. Telling, isn't it, that the Japanese mfrs don't have to have a fire-sale to move product.

Gee, that is why my next truck may in fact be a Toyota Tundra Limited. Much, Im mean MUCH better quality and fit and finish. They also run FOREVER! The resale also didnt go in the toilet like the Dodge, Chevy, Ford products did. That is also why I plan to buy from the little guy Toyota dealer, rather than the ultra BIG Lithia Toyota dealer in the town south of me. they were the ones that lied to me on the phone as to the value of my trade just to get me to drive 40 miles and then low ball me $6,000 less than what they assured me on the phone that they were willing to give as trade on my 04. 5 CTD. For the record, their offer was $6,000 under whoesale KBB, over a $15,000 $scew from what I gave them 10 months earlier when I bought the truck from Lithia NEW. No repete business from me! I hope all the wonderful salespeople out there that "Had" a loyal client base gets a little humble as to the garbage that they did to us. Sticker on my 04. 5 CTD was $45k -+ and their offer , just 10 months later was actually $23k . . Now I ask, who in their correct frame of mind would be so stupid to take such a slap in the face and throw away that much $$$ in just 10 months for a truck that still looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor. Lithia, I hope you are reading this. I must say, you have the best service department around, hands down, but... Your sales department is a bunch of x-McDonalds burger flippers. If I do in fact buy another CTD in later years, Im going back to Dave Smith. It is a really nice 700 mile ride back home. Im sure alot of you out there feel the same as me about the way we all have been and will be treated come trade in time. Yes, The Mega Cab is big and has alot of extras that would be nice but... I choose to drive my GOOD looking paid for 04. 5 3500 and not a funky looking plastic dash covered with peel and stick shelf paper truck that won't be worth 60% next year when they do another change. Gee, do I sound bitter? Well I sure am! We allo should be. They really stuck it to all of us that bought before the EMPLOYEE joke pricing! I say, boycott all the big 3 and go with a nice Toyota, or just keep your truck for another year or 2. At least until there is new Management at the local dealer that had nothing to do with what they did to all of us! :-{}

 

[Tomeygun]

For the record, their offer was $6,000 under whoesale KBB, over a $15,000 $scew from what I gave them 10 months earlier when I bought the truck from Lithia NEW.

Sticker on my 04. 5 CTD was $45k -+ and their offer , just 10 months later was actually $23k . . Now I ask, who in their correct frame of mind would be so stupid to take such a slap in the face and throw away that much $$$ in just 10 months for a truck that still looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.

Wow! 23k is quite a slap thats for sure... I just gave a guy 22. 5K for his 03 with 50k miles on it, for comparison



But I must mention, When taking about value-loss, Start from what you paid, Not what the MSRP is, Heck, who really pays MSRP for thier trucks now'a'days? - Still a big lump to swallow though I know



BTW - according to the ALG (auto leasing guide) the dodge HD ram has the highest residuals (36 months) between the big 3 - So feel lucky you bought a dodge!

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

man those chargers are something else, I haven't gotten that excited over a car in years, just look at that thing, it looks angry and ****** off, It looks like it wants you to get in and floor the gas pedal and leave rubber all the way down to the next block!!!!I can't explain how dodge did it, but man IMO they hit a home run with that car. My wife even got all excited about it.



We have too many kids for a charger, so we have been looking at a new mini van, first checked honda out, and man those guys will not make a deal at all, best they would go is $800 off sticker, I was like go f yourself, then checked with toyota and they are more flexiable but not that much prolly will go 2k off sticker. we are gonna wait a month or so, so more '06's come it and then see what they will do.

 

[LDobie]

Cowboy, you are right on man, they are mean and refined at the same time. My aunt bought the first one in their area, R/T of course and absolutely loves it to death. Then my uncle got an '05 2500 Quad CTD about a month later, what a combo eh??



The charger is comfortable, you can actually see a hood in front of you, it handles great, good power and the transmission, affectionately known as the "Nag" is the best I've ever felt in a Chrysler product. I'm kinda mixed on the Hemi, I don't care for it in a truck, but its great in the cars. Much better launch than I expected, but it seems to run better from 50-100 than 0-50. It flat gets with the program from about 3200 rpm+, wow!! The autostick is amazing and extremely fun as well.



Its a damn tough car too, Aunt ran over a just killed deer on the interstate and didn't crash or hurt the car at all. Plus they are fairly reasonable priced, and she's seeing close to 25mpg highway.



Oh and have you all seen the new color "Silver Steel" or whatever it is?? Simply gorgeous!! I want one now :-laf

 

[DPKetchum]

The Toyata Tundra is not the ends all. Read some of THEIR forums. I'd take a 1500 Hemi or a Chevy truck with v8 as soon as a Tundra.

 

[2Gen3Gen]

The Toyata Tundra is not the ends all. Read some of THEIR forums. I'd take a 1500 Hemi or a Chevy truck with v8 as soon as a Tundra.

Check the reasle of any Toyota to any Hemi, or Chevy. That alone would sell you on the Toyota, not to mention that the Toyota is built in the USA, not Mexico

 

[dmurdock]

Check the reasle of any Toyota to any Hemi, or Chevy. That alone would sell you on the Toyota, not to mention that the Toyota is built in the USA, not Mexico

If your strictly concerned with resale go buy a mid 70's half ton chevy for about 1000 bucks. In 10 years you can sell it for 1000 bucks. It all depends on what the purpose of the vehicle is. If it is strictly transportation then resale may play a large role in the decision. However, no matter how good the resale is on a toyota, it will not tow my bed full of icechests and generator, overloaded 5th wheel, and the overloaded pop up hooked to the 5th wheel up to Texas Motor Speedway twice a year, so it's disqualified when I look for a truck.



If I was just looking for something to drive, it would definately make the list, but then I wouldn't even get a truck (there are so many nice cars out there).

 

[DPKetchum]

I know familys that have had both. maintance and repair on the Toyo is far higher then the domistics. The comments from some owneres of both is not much differance in fit/finish etc. BUT when it breaks the Toyo eats their pocket book in parts costs. The Toyo and Nissan trucks are ONLY assembled here. I worked for Nissan 14 years. same deal. Parts are very high compared to our home brew and the quality maybe SOME better its not the HUGE gap better as 20 years ago. My airline pilot buddy wanted one(Tundra I guess,the big one with V8) his DAD has one. He drove IT for two weeks. Was dissapointed in fuel mileage,stopping and towing. (he HAD a 1500 chevy)said not much differance. HE bought a 2500 Dodge Cummin 48re 2wd etc)Was not much more then the Toyo and HE said it out handles,stops,pulls and gets 10 mpg more. said No comparison in the two. Told his dad the Toyo was VERY dissapointing for the money and go buy a REAL truck.

 

[DPKetchum]

Actually not real sure if assembled in the USA is a strong point to push. Don't take me wrong about my loyalty to OUR country but some of OUR work ethics leave a bit to be desired. I handled LOTS of G. M. plant workers and a few G. M. attorneys. OUR plants put on wit a LOT of non qualified PEOPLE not sure if employee is even correct to use. Our SYSTEM allows it and benifits pay for it. I had LOTS of plant workers who COULD NOT SIGN their own check! I hope some of THAT is changing. BIG good ole boy/family in that system. Had a RECENTLY retired plant worker bring HISnew OLDS in. Said as a retirement GIFT is fellow employees PERSONALY built it with him next to it going down the assembly line. He said LOOK at this LIST. Biggest piece of JUNK I've ever seen. Said now I KNOW why the public has a gripe with G. M. antenna fell out from in the fender on way to me as well as a page of OTHER items. That was in 1992. I sure hope its improved.

 

[dmurdock]

This has kinda gotten off topic, but to play devil's advocate here, in the industry I work in I deal with a lot of people from other countries. The easiest way to put it is that no single country has a monopoly on incompetent people. The good ole boy system is alive and well all over the world. The main issue is the "level playing field". We all like $50 dollar dvd players and paying a buck for a can of almonds shipped half-way around the world. If your competitor pays a fraction of what you pay for labor, materials, facilities, etc... you either have to cut every corner you can or level the playing field yourself by using the same labor, materials, facilities, etc... your competitor uses. Honestly I'm surprised at the level of quality/etc... in today's vehicles. The only issue I've had with any pickup I've ever owned is the 2003 I just got rid of, and that was a vibration problem which I attribute to design, not mfg.



Oh, and the comment about the $1000 70's pickup was serious. I had a 74 GMC 3/4 ton 2wd with a 350 in it. I replaced it with a 79 Ford f150 with the 300CI inline 6. The ford is the best truck I've ever owned and the chevy was 2nd (but not even close to the ford).



As far as 2gen3gen's problem, I truly sympathize. If it weren't for the lemon law twisting chrysler's arm, I would have been out of luck. Dealers are (were) basically giving the vehicles away at cost and now the market is flooded with 2-4 yr old used vehicles which is driving the price way down. I think the best thing to do (if you can) is wait and hope that the big 3 stay away from all the incentive marketing and hopefully the marked will re-adjust. The other positive thing (relative to this) is the hurricane situation. As claims start rolling in there *should* be a high demand for vehicles (new and used) but this is yet to be seen.



good luck

 

[DPKetchum]

You are probably correct in your assisment of a 1972 restored Chevy 4x4 in value & worth. BUT it also had all the comfort,ride,handling and creature comforts of a 1930s tractor with a canopy. Thats why they ended being wood haulers for the most part.

 

[Tomeygun]

... ... ... ... . and the transmission, affectionately known as the "Nag" is the best I've ever felt in a Chrysler product.

you know why?? Cause that a full-bred mercedes transmission right out of a E-class benz. Absolutely no mods needed to makes it go into the charger, and full drop in... And you are right, it is one of the best driving cars I have driven, Not to mention it handles like its on rails due to the ESP programing

 

[2Gen3Gen]

I went by the local Dodge shop today to ask about the trans recall. My regular service advisor was on lunch so I wandered over and took a look at the Charger again. Nice but... It really needs to be a 2 door! I think they will sell alot better and to a younger bunch if they made it with a 2 door as standard and optional 4 door. Heck, if you want the thing as a 4 door, I would just buy a 300! I just can't see anything selling except Neons and PT Cruisers with gas still priced at $3. 00 a gallon. Diesel here is still @ $3. 19. Can't figure out why the east is getting their fuel at a better price than the west as all the big oil problems were back there. I think it may have something to do with price gouging... . UGH!