Oil Analysis results

[RankRam]

Did you say no Smarty?#@$%!#@$%!



:-laf



I'm not sure I am trying to change anything except the soot, maybe a bypass filter needs to be added.



I was kinda hoping for someone to post their results.

I'm thinking that the latest Smaty beta tune will provide much lower soot numbers on your next UOA. There are alot of reports of much less smoke.



Marco has really cleaned up these tunes!

 

[JCasper]

I'm thinking that the latest Smaty beta tune will provide much lower soot numbers on your next UOA. There are alot of reports of much less smoke.



Marco has really cleaned up these tunes!

Yeah I was thinking that also, however I unloaded the Beta due to the timing rattle above 2,500 RPM.



I may have to load it back up.

 

[amsoilman]

Your mileage figures look OFF. According to your report, the miles traveled went from 59,277 to 70,352 between 19 MAy 07 and 13 November 07. What gives there? Your viscosity is just fine at 15. 22cSt@100 C. A "New" 15W-40 is between 12. 5 and 16. 3, so you are right in the middle of the rerquirement.



I would however gp for a By-pass.



Wayne

 

[JCasper]

Your mileage figures look OFF. According to your report, the miles traveled went from 59,277 to 70,352 between 19 MAy 07 and 13 November 07. What gives there? Your viscosity is just fine at 15. 22cSt@100 C. A "New" 15W-40 is between 12. 5 and 16. 3, so you are right in the middle of the rerquirement.



I would however gp for a By-pass.



Wayne

May 07 I had 59K on the truck. November 07 I had 70K on the truck.



How about the soot, is it higher then you normally see?

 

[steved]

How about the soot, is it higher then you normally see?

Blackstone reports soot as "insoluables"... which they state should be less than 0. 6%. Mine seem to run around 0. 3%, even with a GCF bypass... the single analysis I had with the BMK-11 and EaBP-100 ran 0. 4%.

I seem to remember anything over 2% as being bad, and abrasive.

My only issue with your report is the fact there is no unit of measure associated with the reported quantity... I can only assume that is reported in percent?

steved

 

[JCasper]

Blackstone reports soot as "insoluables"... which they state should be less than 0. 6%. Mine seem to run around 0. 3%, even with a GCF bypass... the single analysis I had with the BMK-11 and EaBP-100 ran 0. 4%.



I seem to remember anything over 2% as being bad, and abrasive.



My only issue with your report is the fact there is no unit of measure associated with the reported quantity... I can only assume that is reported in percent?



steved

From what I understand is it's PPM (Parts per million).

 

[steved]

From what I understand is it's PPM (Parts per million).

I would call and verify that, so you can make an educated comparison. So that we're not comparing apples to oranges...



Not that I have looked at a lot of UOAs, but the one's I have looked at alway reported the quantity of soot in percent.



steved

 

[JCasper]

I would call and verify that, so you can make an educated comparison. So that we're not comparing apples to oranges...



Not that I have looked at a lot of UOAs, but the one's I have looked at alway reported the quantity of soot in percent.



steved

I just sent them an email.

 

[JCasper]

Here is what they said. Soot is a percent.



In response to your inquiry, higher concentrations of fuel can most definitely create elevated levles of soot. Soot is measured as a percentage. If soot builds to the point of aglomeration, it can be abrasive as indicated by an increase in PPM of wear metals. Although the last two samples show elevated metals, they are still within aceptable range. To find out more, please see our User's Guide at è http://www.oaitesting.com/g2047.pdf

 

[steved]

That being the case, the general rule of thumb is that 2% and greater is abrasive.



When compared to my UOA (more/less stock truck), your levels are higher... but you also might drive differently than myself. The soot is the biggest alarm to me... since I only have seen as high as 0. 3% soot.







steved

 

[JCasper]

That being the case, the general rule of thumb is that 2% and greater is abrasive.



When compared to my UOA (more/less stock truck), your levels are higher... but you also might drive differently than myself. The soot is the biggest alarm to me... since I only have seen as high as 0. 3% soot.







steved

Wow, your engine is running clean.



I do have a very short commute and with the Smarty there is a lot of smoke. I'm sure that all contributes.

 

[steved]

My "clean" might be from the use of a bypass filter... which has been in use since early 2006. My last UOA wasn't as good... but it had a lot of towing and a retarded timing issue due to a bared wire (I already posted it elsewhere, so it wouldn't leave me post it again).

Your short commute and the additional fuel from the Smarty aren't helping you, thats for sure. Someone else can probably tell you more, but I only see three alternatives... lose the Smarty, more frequent oil changes, or possibly a bypass filter.

steved

 

[JCasper]

My "clean" might be from the use of a bypass filter... which has been in use since early 2006. My last UOA wasn't as good... but it had a lot of towing and a retarded timing issue due to a bared wire (I already posted it elsewhere, so it wouldn't leave me post it again).



Your short commute and the additional fuel from the Smarty aren't helping you, thats for sure. Someone else can probably tell you more, but I only see three alternatives... lose the Smarty, more frequent oil changes, or possibly a bypass filter.



steved

The Smarty is here to stay, I think.



I hate to dump $70 worth of oil more often, but if I have to I will.



I think I will try a bypass filter. I will have to do some research now between the Amsoil system and the FS2500.

 

[steved]

Don't forget the Frantz, Motorguards, Oilguards, Gulf Coast, Baldwin, and Fleetguard options.

Each bypass has a pro/con... primarily the differences from one to another are how much hands on you involve versus how much you want to spend on elements.

steved

 

[JCasper]

Don't forget the Frantz, Motorguards, Oilguards, Gulf Coast, Baldwin, and Fleetguard options.



Each bypass has a pro/con... primarily the differences from one to another are how much hands on you involve versus how much you want to spend on elements.



steved

Wow, that's a lot of options.

 

[amsoilman]

I'll give you an example of my history using the Amsoil By-pass system (BMK-11and EabP-100 element) and the (AME) 15W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel & Marine oil.

My truck now has over 60,000 Miles on the oil and has not been changed since 4-2003, when it had 8,500 miles on it.

The last analysis performed in Aug 2007 reported the oil as "suitable" for continued use. The Viscosity was 15. 69 cSt@100 C. wwhich is well within the limits of a 15W-40 oil.

The "soot" level in PERCENT was 0. 76.

TBN was at 5. 66. ALL other values were well within accepted tolerances with the exception of COPPER. However, it has been reported by CATAPILLER, the high levels of COPPER by it's self, is not an indicator of wear, but is considered a Phenomenon of the oil cooler "Leaching" the copper from the core of the cooler.

I have seen this many times in various engines, but mine has shown high levels of copper since the very first analysis taken with 10,200 miles on the oil.

I do not have a "smarty", but I do have the Edge/Attitude that I run on 2 or 3 most of the time.

My suggetion would be to get a "By-pass" on your truck, as better filtration will definately help reduce the soot from the oil.



Best Regards,



Wayne

 

[JHardwick]

The Smarty is here to stay, I think.



I hate to dump $70 worth of oil more often, but if I have to I will.



I think I will try a bypass filter. I will have to do some research now between the Amsoil system and the FS2500.

Go back to Delo and dump it every 3,000-5,000 miles.

 

[JCasper]

Here Is My Latest Sample

Still no bypass.



I now have to decide between a bypass or finding a good petroleum oil. The new Delo is not an option.

 

[steved]

WOW!



Where is that copper coming from???? I see this is a UOA of Amsoil (thought this was a UOA of Delo)... the Copper would probably go away on a few oil changes. I've seen several Amsoil UOAs with elevated copper, must be something with their oil... isn't typically thought to be a problem.



I don't see how you can have 0. 4% insoluables and "excessive soot"??? I have 0. 3% with my Gulf Coast, had 0. 4% with my BMK-11; and both were fine for continued use??? And the viscosity hasn't even really thickened up, which I would have expected with "excessive soot. "



The iron is high... I very rarely see over 20ppm in the same OCI interval.



I use Rotella CJ-4 and don't see anything close to what you've got there... IMHO, I'd tell Blackstone to run the sample again... just to verify the numbers. I'd also ask them to explain the insoluables/"excessive soot" thing...



steved

 

[05mxdiesel]

Here is one of my recent uoa's, notice the copper spike. Oil was amsoil ame with a frantz bypass.