OK - why don't we see more of us joining and producing our

[hammersley]

own Bio Diesel with a sort-of-COOP. I mean have a couple dozen guys or whatever it takes to keep the product coming - people purchase help produce etc..... has this been tried?????

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I've thought the same hammersley, I thought Hoss was starting to work something up awhile back but haven't seen anything about it for awhile.

 

[Hvy-DCZ]

Hey Hammersley,



Check out this link:

http://www.gobiodiesel.org/tiki-index.php



It's the local co-op in Portland. I've gone to a meeting, but haven't joined yet. My plan is to join and learn the system before designing my own (w/ a buddy).



You need to be able to embrace a lot of diversity with these folks, no matter where you come from on an ideological basis. They remind me a lot of folks I went to school w/ at OSU (Corvallis).



I'd encourage you to at least go to a meeting and check out their setup. They're in SE PDX. They have a new-members meeting at the Peoples' Food Co-op (3029 SE 21st Ave) Every First Tuesday from 6:30-7:30. If you're interested, you can go to a Saturday work party (at the processor) to see the real deal. Once you donate some time, you can then buy fuel. One time dues are $100 to join.



Cheers,

HvyD

 

[hammersley]

That looks great -

I'm going to check it out - thanks a million... ... ... ... ... .....

 

[cj hall]

co-op

Hello

First of all I think that a co-op is a fine way to go we all get input on what is going on and we all get a product at a better cost. I wish we had o co-up for oil in my hometown.

The only thing is that these people are not in it for the resons we will be in it for

Most (not all) of the people in a co-op that is dealing in bio anything well be (sorry to say this) treehuggers. this is not a bad thing just are views are different.

We (Motorheads)want to save money on fuel and get hardcore performance

they want to save the world from the gas/diesel/any thing that makes the earth a smelly/noise place to be.



I went to a meeting of bio people they were all good people they have great ideas of what need to happen just kinda strange to see a diehard motorhead talking to a diehard treehugger about biofuel.

good luck with your co-op hope it all works out ok



cj hall

 

[DLGonzo]

Almost all of my information on the production and use of biodiesel came from the hippy treehuggers,and although I may not share many commonalities with them I think its great that different people can come together for the greater good. If some white collar yuppie baby boomer had come across this knowlege he'd be charging money for the plans, ideas and information.



I think the oil coop are a good idea. Oil is going to be hard to come by very quickly. People are now stealing it. I had 120 gallons taken from my dumpster last week!

 

[Hvy-DCZ]

CJ,



I'm not a self-professed tree-hugger, but I understand your comment about everyone coming from a different angle. Although many (dare I say, most) of our decisions are economically based, I must confess that I believe we all have a responsibility to make choices that reach beyond our own small sphere of influence that lean towards a greater good. I must say this greater good is not based in humanism but in a biblically founded ideology to contribute to a higher calling of social responsibility for the cause of Christ. As He gave all that we might live, we must live in manner worthy to be called His own.



No condemnation. Do I want more power from the CTD, sure. Do I want to reduce emissions, YES. I am a bible believing follower of Christ, and believe global warming is real (talk about a minority). Can we stop it, no. Should we seek to reduce consumption, YES. I think it's our responsibility to be good stewards and not consume more than we need. However, we also read the back of the book,and know how it all ends.



Sorry for rambling,

HvyD (just a nickname, not really that heavy)

 

[fox]

Maybe we are! Maybe we are concerned of the big monster called government. It can crush without any concerns.

I believe many are making/converting fuel for private use. Until we are confident we have all the ducks in a row, it needs to stay quiet.

I know of one group doing a co-op. Hope it works out ok, and it does look good.

 

[DFerverda]

What really needs to happen is Lots of folks start makin fuel, If enough do it the powers to be cant screw with anyone.

I love makin fuel, If i am hugging a tree, there is a redhead against it. I am all for taking care of the place i live,and making it a better place for my kids. But 3 bucks a gallon for pd vrs . 50 a gallon for bio, I choose the latter.

A coop would be good with the right people involved, for sure if she is a redhead.



DlGonzo

I feel your pain. I had someone steal 2 barrels of wvo, and both of the poly snap on lids, and even snached an empty barrel.

If they start hitting your barrels, dump one full of glyc..... let them see what that makes when reacted.

Dirk

 

[hammersley]

who in the Pacific NW is making Bio?????

I want to learn 1st hand... ...

 

[Boomer II]

My fear is as soon as I got up and running the "free" oil supply will dry up. These restaurants will wise up before too long I think.

 

[DFerverda]

Why? the bars and diners i get mine from, had to PAY to have someone haul it away. I started doin it for free and after a couple months the render offered to pay one of them to keep their account. They told them to kiss off if they were willing to pay them now, why didnt they offer before. If you take care of the source and dont make a mess they will stick with u at least intill they can get new oil price out of wvo.

Life is a gamble, so is bommin our trucks, but that dont stop most of us from havin a little fun.

Dirk

 

[Lube Man]

Regardless of your motivation to use biodiesel it is a good thing. Good for the environment, good for your engine, good for your pocketbook, and good for our country.



I just started researching co-ops on the internet. Did not realize there were so many. I am going to pursue starting one in my area. It would be great if there was a source of info on how to start. I am several hours drive from the San Francisco area where there are several. It would be very useful if we could find TDR members who are members of a co-op that would be willing to post instructions on the web. The Portland co-op has a very good website with much info including their bylaws.



What is the minimum people to make a co-op practical?

What is the minimum quantity of commercial biodeiel that can be purchased in bulk?

How do you dispense to co-op members?

Where do you buy storage tanks and dispensing pumps?

What about taxes?

Are there any govt incentives?



I could go on and on... ...

 

[MLee]

Local govenment getting involved

Maybe we are! Maybe we are concerned of the big monster called government. It can crush without any concerns.

I believe many are making/converting fuel for private use. Until we are confident we have all the ducks in a row, it needs to stay quiet.

I know of one group doing a co-op. Hope it works out ok, and it does look good.

This is what is being started here in SaLt Lake city. I think it will be a start of a snowball across the country. This article appeared today in the SL Tribune.

To read it go to this link,

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3924537



I think there should be enough for everybody.

Marv.

 

[R C Cola]

Bio Screw Up

To truly screw things up requires 3 things working together

1. The Government 2. A computor 3. The Medias Attention

Sounds like we're getting closer. R C :--)