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eBay Motors: 2005 USED AIRSTREAM 30 FT CLASSIC TRAILER RV (item 120185835864 end time Nov-28-07 16:46:16 PST)



Now that's a lot more than I want to spend on a TT BUT what I need to know is why are they so expensive - is it the SNOB Appeal---or are they really that much better????



That bid price is EXTREMELY LOW,Go to the airsteam site and look at new price.



I am the only one in our group who has not had an rv issue in years. I take my airstream everywhere.

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Bob
 
Like everything else, "Different strokes for different folks. " I've had Airstreams since 1983. Current trailer is a '92 that I bought in 1999. I could never have afforded a new one (first owner paid over 80 grand for mine. Limiteds are now over 100Gs). There are a lot of folks who are restoring older models. Since the old ones don't look that much different from new ones, owners tend to hang on to them for a long time. The trailer architecture is what makes them so desirable to many people and also what makes them so long lived. The appliances (everything from the furnace to the refrigerator) are no different from any others out there.



Gene



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There was a TV show on the Travel Channel last night that was about Airstreams, I watched enough to know I'll never be able to afford one...
 
Like everything else, "Different strokes for different folks. " I've had Airstreams since 1983. Current trailer is a '92 that I bought in 1999. I could never have afforded a new one (first owner paid over 80 grand for mine. Limiteds are now over 100Gs). There are a lot of folks who are restoring older models. Since the old ones don't look that much different from new ones, owners tend to hang on to them for a long time. The trailer architecture is what makes them so desirable to many people and also what makes them so long lived. The appliances (everything from the furnace to the refrigerator) are no different from any others out there.



Gene



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Gene... ... ... ..... what kind of mileage do you get with your rig? Since the rise in fuel costs, I've been wondering how much the low profile trailers save over the fifth wheel type.

My 99 24valve gets 20 solo & 12. 7 towing a 5th wheel... ... ... ... .
 
I've got a 32' Airstream , towed with 1/2 T chev taho , towed just fine , I wouldn't tow an other brand with that truck .
Only getting about 19 mpg general driving , towing AS about 15-16 with truck in sig .
Mine is an 85 Excella , I do not see too many old trailers that I would by , but will always look at a Airstream .
 
I bgought a new 21' Airstream in May '95 and still use it. Tows wonderfully, especially with the Henschen suspension (independent, dampened) and streamlined shape. High quality and durability. They cost twice as much but last ten times as long.
 
We also have an Airstream (1998 - 31ft. Excella) that we bought in 98. IMO it's the best piece of camping equipment I've ever bought.

I was at a point of total frustration with all my other cab-overs and class A campers.

After many trips cross country with these units, I'm sure I was spending more time "fixing" than camping.

The only thing I've had to do on the Airstream ( after at least eight trips coast to coast)was a drain-pipe repair due to a tire delamination at about 75 MPH.

After the initial sticker shock I think it's money well spent.

Ray
 
There was a TV show on the Travel Channel last night that was about Airstreams, I watched enough to know I'll never be able to afford one...



You can afford a good used one if you want one. I owned several, also used, and loved them. I also owned an Avion, a cousin to the Airstream, also an excellent towing product.



Airstreams are hands down the best product available for ease of towing, good balance, great towing fuel mileage, and resale value.



They are not as roomy inside (or as hot as 5ers are right now) but many experienced RVers wouldn't own anything else. Rising fuel prices might throw a little cold water on the current enthusiasm for large, heavy 5ers.



Harvey
 
I have a 77 Airstream 23 foot, purchased new in 77, towed it then with a 76 Cherokee, then with a 6. 2 Suburban, then a 7. 3 Ford F350, and now the Dodge. Great investment. Ours has over 100k miles with 48k from the first year. My wife and I quit our jobs and traveled for a year. Towing with the Dodge, around 15 mpg. Wouldn't tow anything else. Would like a new one, but the price is way out of line.
 
I have owned two Airstreams (29' & 31') and an Argosy 5th 35' wheel. I purchased all three new. These are the only RVs I ever owned that I recieved close to the original purchase price when I sold them after they were 5-6 years old with thousands of easy towing, trouble free travel miles on them.



I towed the two Airstreams behind 1/2 ton Chevy pickup and a 1/2 ton Suburban. When I sold the Chevy pickup it had 100,000 miles on it and the Suburban had 285,000 miles on it which gives and idea of how many miles were on the Airstream trailers. The only RVs I would have attempted to tow behind a 1/2 ton vehicle.



I towed the 35' Argosy 5th wheel behind a '84 Ford F250 with the 6. 9L diesel. I sold the 35' Argosy 5th wheel and bought a 29' Hitchhiker II 5th wheel and could really tell the difference in how much harder it was to tow the Hitchhiker.



If I decided I wanted buy used travel trailer, a 29' to 31' Airstream would be my only consideration.



Bill
 
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what kind of mileage do you get with your rig?



Crash & Burn,



Sounds like you're doing pretty well on fuel consumption while pulling. My trailer weighs about 8500# (loaded and underway, weighed at Flying J in Cokeville, Wyoming). I seldom get less than 13. 5 mpg. Most tanks are in the mid 14s. On my most recent trip I got 18. 2 mpg for the 337 mile leg from Cokeville, WY to Laramie. That is my highest ever towing mileage. I'd like to leave it there, but to be honest, I only got 12. 7 on the return three weeks later. I suppose the return trip must have had more head wind than I realized.



As Harvey noted, not everyone accepts the limited headroom, etc. It doesn't bother me and I'm 6'3".



Gene
 
Crash & Burn,



Sounds like you're doing pretty well on fuel consumption while pulling. My trailer weighs about 8500# (loaded and underway, weighed at Flying J in Cokeville, Wyoming). I seldom get less than 13. 5 mpg. Most tanks are in the mid 14s. On my most recent trip I got 18. 2 mpg for the 337 mile leg from Cokeville, WY to Laramie. That is my highest ever towing mileage. I'd like to leave it there, but to be honest, I only got 12. 7 on the return three weeks later. I suppose the return trip must have had more head wind than I realized.



As Harvey noted, not everyone accepts the limited headroom, etc. It doesn't bother me and I'm 6'3".



Gene





Gene,

You really can't count the headwind stuff, I've got 10 bucking them.....

Reason I'm asking is I'd like to do the Yukon/Alaska trip and with the canadian fuel costs, I might consider a smaller, lighter, streamlined, trailer and leave my 5th wheel in it's spot at the lake.

I've even thought about maybe I could then sell the trailer in Anchorage, and come back on the marine hiway... ... ... I know, dream on. :-laf
 
Gene... ... ... ..... what kind of mileage do you get with your rig? Since the rise in fuel costs, I've been wondering how much the low profile trailers save over the fifth wheel type.

My 99 24valve gets 20 solo & 12. 7 towing a 5th wheel... ... ... ... .





I think this depends on the type of 5th wheel... mine isn't a walk-in bunk, so it is rather short. As far as I could tell towing it the 100 miles home, it actually doesn't cause as much fuel consumption as my slide-in does.



I almost bought an older AirStream when I was looking last month... we found a 1979 25-footer for $4700. I like the fact there is no where for water to lay on the roof... and the fact there is little in the way of seams for leaks to occur.



steved
 
I am a third generation Airstream owner... I have pulled nearly any kind of travel trailer/ fifthwheel that is on the market. NOTHING pulls as good as the Airstream. They were designed for the car owners. Years ago most of the vacationers pulled with a car. As a kid when I would go on summer long Airstream caravans with my grandparents, most of the Airstreamers pulled with a car. Nowadays though, most pull with 3/4 ton pickups or larger. Still, they pull the BEST!!!
 
Now that's a lot more than I want to spend on a TT BUT what I need to know is why are they so expensive - is it the SNOB Appeal---or are they really that much better????



I guess I'll be the guy to throw some water on this thread. We have a 1997 Airstream Limited, 34' front kitchen. It was sold new in 1998. We got it for $25,000 (which we considered a great deal) from the second owner in Florida. We had looked at a couple of other 34-foot Airstreams and both were priced over $34,000. One was a Limited in like-new condition. The owner was asking about $45,000 or so. I told him that I had come to see it, expecting to offer much less than that price but his trailer was in such good shape that it justified his asking price. I couldn't bring myself to offer the $30,000 or so that we were willing to spend. (Aside: He called us several weeks after we bought the one we now own and offered it to us for about $35,000. ) The justification for paying $25,000 was the fact that this trailer sold new for about $70,000-75,000.



Within weeks of bringing our trailer home it developed a fresh water plumbing leak. We are about three hours from the Airstream factory and their service center, so I took the trailer there for repair. At the service center they discovered that three of the front aluminum body panels were torn where they attach to the floor. (I had noticed that when I inspected the trailer, but the significance didn't sink in at the time. ) This damage required replacing all three of the body panels. Charge about $3500.



A couple of years later, while having the air conditioner replaced, a dealer noticed another split in the skin, this time above the door. When I called the service center for an appointment I told the manager that the trailer had another tear. He said, "Above the door?" I asked if he saw a lot of these. He said he did.



In the few years of our ownership, the trailer has had three or so plumbing leaks in addition to the body issues mentioned above.



Out of necessity I have become more familiar with the way this trailer is built. I see that it isn't that different from other high-end trailers, and certainly doesn't justify the prices Airstream demands. Some details are top-notch, but others aren't. For example, our trailer has plastic ball valves for shut-offs in the plumbing system. These valves have some type of o-ring or seal in them that moves out of its proper location and then the valve won't work properly. I have already had several of them changed to metal valves with improved seats. Changing these valves requires cutting them out of the pipe, since no provision was made for their replacement when the plumbing was installed. Cheap, plastic valves are not what you would expect in a $75,000 trailer.



Our previous trailer was a Holiday Rambler. It had a gas/electric water heater. If you were at a campground, you could plug in and use electricity to heat water, thus preserving your LP gas. The more expensive Airstream's water heater runs on gas only -- no electric option. Why?



The Holiday Rambler had a gas oven in the range. The Airstream has only a three-burner cooktop. The oven is a microwave/convection oven combo unit, which admittedly cooks well, but which requires 110 volt AC electricity.



I don't know about the latest models, but even the 1997 Limited has no provision for a generator. If you want to have AC power on the road or in a remote campsite, you'll have to carry the generator in your truck. Have you seen the prices of these trailers that do not offer even that basic feature?



Ours tows well, but it has taken me three different hitches before I found the one that works well with this trailer (an Equal-i-zer, by the way). It swayed slightly behind our Reese hitch and slightly worse with the Pulliam Pull-Rite (expensive) hitch.



To answer your question: Yes, they are a high-quality trailer, but much of the price is snob appeal.



I would buy another one (not a new one) but not without a very thorough examination. I know a lot more now about what I should look for. It was an expensive lesson.



A good general rule about RV's (probably boats too) is: Unless you cannot find what you want used, never buy a new RV.



Loren
 
JCostello,



Thanks for the nice words.



To readers of this thread who are interested in a discussion of RV quality, it is addressed in the article by G. R. Whale in issue #53, beginning on page 134. Greg wonders if the term "RV quality" is an oxymoron.



I think it is. From my admittedly limited experience as an owner not associated with the industry, I am under the impression that absolutely no one makes a travel trailer that reaches my standards of quality. I admit that I have high standards, but mostly I just want a trailer that works as advertised. It should:

* Tow well with a simple, weight-distributing hitch.

* Have brakes that work smoothly, with sufficient power to stop the additional weight of the trailer, when powered by a normal brake controller.

* Have suspension and wheel/tire components that are not even close to being overloaded.

* Have a rigid frame that will last for years and years without deteriorating.

* Have paint, or another external covering, that will last as long as the paint on my truck.

* Have a roof and walls that do not leak.

* Have a plumbing system that works for years and years without leaks.

* Have an electrical system that is safe and that is designed adequately for the trailer's loads.

* Have appliances that work as well as the ones in my house, and for just as long.

* Provide access to all of the trailer's systems for repairs and service.



I'm sure that I could come up with a few more truly basic items to add to this list, but you get the idea. So far I have not even heard of a trailer manufacturer that makes a trailer that meets even the above requirements. When I find one, I'll buy it.



Some other thread I read recently discussed the entry of Toyota into the medium to heavy duty truck market. The consensus was that this is a good thing because the competition will require our domestic manufacturers to improve their products as well.



When the Japanese start making travel trailers our domestic RV manufacturers will either wake up or go out of business. (Seen any Studebakers or Nash Ramblers lately?) The domestic RV manufacturers are treating their customers the way domestic automobile manufacturers did in the 1950's. I lived through, and observed, the entry of the Japanese into the US auto market. I remember how amazed I was when I saw my first Honda automobile, because they were known only for their motorcycles. Look at the incursion of the Japanese into our automobile industry now.



If the U. S. RV industry does not start providing the quality we should get for $50,000 - $150,000, someone else will. There is a lot of money to be made in this industry.



Loren
 
I have towed many different trailers many miles over the years.
Last year I towed a new 25' Airstream anniversary edition from Tacoma to Anchorage, Alaska for a friend of my son.
That has to be the absolute best towing trailers I ever towed.
It rode better than my truck and I got 14-15 mpg. But... ... ..... it was extremely expensive, over $50k, was an absolute abortion inside to use for camping and had minimal storage both inside and out. I loved towing it but would never buy one.
I do agree with a previous post in that they will become more popular again for their ease of towing with good economy.
 
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You can thank Airstream's parent company, Thor Industries, for the "cuttin corners" in quality. Big corporations have those CEO's that expect their huge yearly bonuses.
 
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