Here I am

Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Optomistic after popping VP death code

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission rear gear change

2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Can a heater in the mirror be fixed?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Hi,all

I have always watched the condition of my lift pump using a test gauge,and noticed that it was getting to 10 psi at idle,and would draw down to 5 at normal throttle in 5th gear [about 2200 rpm]. I changed the filter for a small improvement. After the filter was done,the truck was going to dead pedal at startup[after sitting overnight] and occasionally in cruise at 1400RPM. I tried all kinds of stuff like bump starting to get the pressure up before taking off,and tried to eliminate things one variable at a time.

After 100 miles of this,I changed the lift pump--the cold engine symptoms were the same,if not worse. I decided to check the filter,but it looked clean. I then made a stupid mistake that was really a benefit. Forgetting to turn the water seperator petcock closed,I lost 10- 15 gallons of fuel. After adding fuel, the truck drove better,with only the occasional dead pedal --always at startup

After describing all this to a mechanic who has 150 VP installs to his credit,we settled on putting CENPECO fuel conditioner in the tank at double strength. Truck runs perfect. I now have a fresh tank of fuel with more Cenpeco in it. I will drive it some more and have the guy use a scan tool and see if the death code stays away

The reason I am posting this long narrative is that I was convinced by searching the TDR that my VP was dying--all the symptoms were there as well as the code. Before you spend big bucks on a VP, I would suggest removing the fuel--[you could pump it out at the schrader and save it] Use a good lubricating conditioner and see if fresh conditioned fuel makes a dramatic change like it did for me. Looking back at things,it is obvious that there was water in my fuel that settled out when the truck sat overnight.

If I am proven wrong,and my VP dies I will certainly inform you guys--that is how we expand our knowlege base about these trucks.
 
Which error code are we talking about, 216?

You may be right, may be wrong.

One thing that convinced me about the 2002 year trucks having weaker pumps was seeing the picture of all the tiny brass particles in Gary K7GLD's frantz fuel filter. That thing was littered with brass. At first I think we thought it was from his lift pump, until he got the 216 code as well.

It's pretty well documented that the pumps that came with brass internals just plain wore out faster than others. Then there were the updated circuit boards that could stand heat cycles & pump tap boxes better, but if you have one of the brass based VP's, its only a matter of time until it cant advance timing like its supposed to and will require updating.

As JKidd says, "Hope it works for you. "

Thanks for sharing the info. It will be interesting to find out over some time what the results are.
 
Last edited:
Like I said,the lift pump never went below 5 PSI. The problem appeared after sitting overnight when the fuel had settled with the water at the bottom of the tank, and the dumb luck of spilling out the dirty crap is what triggered my theory. The big question is, how much wear took place in 100 miles with this water in the fuel?

I think a Fass or some product like it might at least prolong the life of the VP,and possibly using the additive more often. If I had not had the lucky fuel spill,that VP would have been changed already. BTW,I got an excellent quote of 1350. 00 installed with installer furnishing a first line guaranteed VP. If you are in SW Ohio area,I can hook you up

Thanks for the good wishes
 
Dunno about the FASS - or other systems as related to water removal in fuel - but the Frantz fuel filter I have installed will reportedly absorb/remove a significant degree of water from fuel - just not sure what VOLUME if fuel it or other types will actually remove. Certainly, in some severe contamination scenarios, the volume of water contamination might exceed what any of them can reliably handle - but in my case, never have seen even the slightest traces of water in the fuel...



#ad
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top