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I've been using it as a final filter and Glaciers 20 micron filter/water separator as the primary. No problems yet but I would recommend a fuel gauge to keep on top of fuel flow.

Mike
 
Mine is sitting here in the box waiting for the fuel pressure gauge. UPS seems to have lost my order from Geno's. Nothing in the tracking since the billing information on the 19th :-(
 
i have the fuel pressure guage, im getting the pressure using the billet filter cap from geno's garage. but i heard that is getting the pressure prefilter. how would i go about getting the pressure post filters so i have a more accurate reading on how the filter will hurt the fuel pressure. any pics of setups would be great. i never worked with diesel fuel systems before, but after seeing some of the fuel issues i wanted to get the 2micron in the truck.
 
It looks like glaicer sells a inline t-fitting that is tapped for fuel pressure under fuel line fittings (3/8 pressure sender tee). This should get you your post filter pressure, assuming that its 3/8 line, and its cheaper than genos filter cap :) . Nick
 
Someone posted that they saw only a very small drop in fuel pressure with the 2 mic. filter.



I was concerned about that as I'm running a Cat. 2 mic. filter on my Aux. fuel tank. The system I have has a 6-way elec. valve that is controlled with a switch. Basically, the engine is receiving fuel from one or the other tanks. The aux. tank does not drain into the main tank. So, when I'm on the aux. tank, the fuel & engine is getting the 2 mic. filtration.



I'm telling you this because, I notice no difference in engine performance running either system. There is nothing to indicate that the 2 mic. is creating too much of a restriction in fuel delivery. I do not have a pressure guage so, my impressions are strictly from the "seat of the pants" & listening for any differences in engine sounds. Not too scientific, I know.



Joe F. (Buffalo)
 
i i just saw that t fitting from glacier. i think im gonna order it. i love looking at alot of guages on my dash so i might just order another fuel pressure guage and mount that one post filters. that way i know what pressures are before and after. so it will tell me how my filters are flowing and when they need changing. just an idea.
 
If it is a 50/50 cycle filter it will drop your pressure significantly, Most filter manufacturers are deceiving the Public into thinking that the ratings on the filter are true. Example 2mic rating ( what pressure was use to get this rating) in most cases they will not sure this info,So I will guess for them 1PSI,Now ask what percentage of the 2mic on first pass,again most are less than 10%. Now I will guess that the other 90% is maybe 8mic at 20%. 10mic at 30%, at 12mic 40%. if the manufacture is using the J185 method it is obsolete and is easily fooled.



(On Edit) the Higher the Pressure the LOWER the filtration. In Most cases.
 
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TWest said:
If it is a 50/50 cycle filter it will drop your pressure significantly, Most filter manufacturers are deceiving the Public into thinking that the ratings on the filter are true. Example 2mic rating ( what pressure was use to get this rating) in most cases they will not sure this info,So I will guess for them 1PSI,Now ask what percentage of the 2mic on first pass,again most are less than 10%. Now I will guess that the other 90% is maybe 8mic at 20%. 10mic at 30%, at 12mic 40%. if the manufacture is using the J185 method it is obsolete and is easily fooled.



(On Edit) the Higher the Pressure the LOWER the filtration. In Most cases.

So, what exactly are you telling us. Are you not reccomending the 2 micron filtration? I need more info, I guess. :confused:
 
Just talked to glacier- the standard 2mic kit has 5/16 lines and the fitting is for 3/8. I ordered the big line filter kit that includes the 3/8 lines- I have 3/8 tank pick-up and lines run to factory filter already, so figured I might as well have it to cp3 also. I don't know if the tee fitting will jam into the 5/16 hose or not. Hope this helps.
 
yeah i ordered the big line kit also with my filter. 3/8 lines. im am probably going to do the whole fuel pump kit in the spring. but for now im at least getting the filter all setup and running so hopefully i dont have any issues with fuel system that i have heard about.
 
barbwire said:
So, what exactly are you telling us. Are you not reccomending the 2 micron filtration? I need more info, I guess. :confused:



Some of the 2mic rating filter(s) are only getting 10% of 2mic on the first pass and only 50% 8mic, Some of the 3&4 Mic rated filters are getting 90% of 3&4 mic,and 98. 9% of 6mic on the first pass at 8PSI. I will take the 3&4 rated Mic filters take the manufacture Prove this rating. If you install a 2mic filter and run Pressure higher than 10PSI in most cases you are cutting the rating in Half.



Get the facts from the manufacture in Writing, ask questions like: What PSI, Flow, Temp Etc. As mention earlier some of the rating Posted on the filter(s) ARE AT 1PSI

I am not going to endorse or criticize the Makers of these filter since it is self defeating and futile
 
the filter that comes with the kit is a fleetguard part# ff5320 do you know what it is rated to actually get, is it a good filter or is their a better one i should look into that will fit the glacier kit. its gotta be better then the factory 10 micron thats in the truck now. thanks. lots of good info im getting in here.
 
TWest said:
Some of the 2mic rating filter(s) are only getting 10% of 2mic on the first pass and only 50% 8mic, Some of the 3&4 Mic rated filters are getting 90% of 3&4 mic,and 98. 9% of 6mic on the first pass at 8PSI. I will take the 3&4 rated Mic filters take the manufacture Prove this rating. If you install a 2mic filter and run Pressure higher than 10PSI in most cases you are cutting the rating in Half.



Get the facts from the manufacture in Writing, ask questions like: What PSI, Flow, Temp Etc. As mention earlier some of the rating Posted on the filter(s) ARE AT 1PSI

This is info well worth cosideration, Thanks
 
TWest said:
Get the facts from the manufacture in Writing, ask questions like: What PSI, Flow, Temp Etc. As mention earlier some of the rating Posted on the filter(s) ARE AT 1PSI

I am not going to endorse or criticize the Makers of these filter since it is self defeating and futile
I totally agree that one should research the claims made by the filter people. Learn the difference between “nominal” which, for the most part, is a bogus marketing term and “absolute”.



A link to the AFS site which has some good information: http://www.afssociety.org/education/1105oneminute.htm



A link to the Filter Manufacturers Council site with good info too:

http://www.filtercouncil.org/techdata/index.html



Twest, you have posted many times about pressure killing the ratings, are you referring to the inlet pressure of the filter or the differential pressure or something else? BTW it is the flow rate that really matters.
 
If you had a 16 GPM pump at 5psi, than you add a filter that is rated 3mic at 50% at 3psi. this should reduce the flow to 5 to 6 GPM. Now you take 16 GPM at 15psi 3mic at 50%. Now measure the flow it will be around 8 to 9 GPM,Now You have push 3 to 4 GPM through the same filter, how much contamination travel through do to the increase speed produce by the pressure.



If you had a Pressure gage before and after a good filter you would see not much differences until the filter was contaminated. The flow would increase once the pressure was higher than the rated PSI. The lower the pressure the better filtration.
 
Can you provide a link to these filter manufacturer specs you refer to? I think you may have misunderstood what the ratings mean.



In my experience, normally filters are sized by flow rate and dirt load, not by pressure. Every filter material has an optimum flow rate per unit of surface area. This flow rate gets adjusted based on the properties of the fluid being pumped and the level of contamination in the fluid. When the fluid is relatively clean the flow rates per unit surface area tend to be increased. Dirty fluids need much lower flow rates per unit area to give a reasonable run time before the filter needs to be changed.



The pressure drop across the filter element is the difference between the filter inlet pressure minus the filter outlet pressure and is commonly referred to as the differential pressure. The differential pressure is important to consider when selecting the pump for a filter system or when retrofitting a filter to an existing pumping system. The maximum expected differential pressure must be added to all the other pressure losses in the system (from friction in the piping, valves, etc) and to the final pressure required at the point of use. This number is then used to determine the total pressure the pump must be able to produce at the desired flow rate. If there is an existing pump which cannot produce enough pressure, then a larger filter with a lower differential pressure at the desired flow rate must be chosen.



Other than the initial pump sizing, the differential pressure across the element is typically used for determining when the filter is dirty. I have seen manufacturers set limits on how high the differential pressure should go before the filtration quality will degrade or before the filter element may fail. I am confused how you can use the filter manufacturer’s differential pressure at a specific flow rate to determine the 16 gpm to 5 to 6 gpm flow reduction.



Using your example, if the pump is capable of 16 gpm at 5 psi and the filter is rated for 16 gpm with a differential pressure (pressure drop) of 3 psi, then the net result out of the filter will be 16 gpm at 2 psi. Note the pressure on the downstream side of the filter is reduced, not the flow rate. If you change the pump to one that does 16 gpm at 15 psi then the result out of the filter will be 16 gpm at 12 psi.



Now if you try to increase the flow to 20 gpm the differential pressure will increase and the filtration quality may degrade compared to 16 gpm. If the filter differential pressure at 20 gpm is 5. 5 psi, then a 5 psi pump cannot produce enough pressure to force 20 gpm through the filter and the flow will be reduced. Also keep in mind that as the differential pressure increases the rest of the fuel system and the properties of the pump will affect the flow rate, but those are not filter issues.



You are on the right track that usually the lower the flow through a given filter the better the filtration, but only to a point. Keep in mind that a dirty filter usually gives better filtration due to the build up of particles which partially block the holes or passages or “pores” in the filter media. This has the effect of making the pores in the filter media smaller, so that ever finer particles are captured. This blocking of the pores reduces the open area that the liquid has to flow through, like reducing down from a larger pipe to one that is getting smaller and smaller. The pressure needed to push the same volume of fuel through this ever decreasing open area will increase. This will be seen as an increase in the differential pressure.



Remember, pressure is a measure of the resistance to flow. Differential pressure, which is the pressure drop across the filter element, is the result of the flow being restricted while going through the filter element. It is dependent on flow only, not the supply pressure. The more flow, the more pressure that is needed to force it through the filter element and the higher the differential pressure. If the flow rate remains constant, but the filter’s open area is reduced due to dirt blocking the pores, then more pressure will be needed to force the flow through the fewer and smaller openings in the filter element and the differential pressure will go up.



What happens to the flow rate as the differential pressure goes up is dependent on the pump type, what pressure relief device the system has and if the filter has a pressure relief bypass built in. The filter media will respond to the increased pressure in some way as well.



In a nutshell, with a typical system, as the differential pressure increases the flow rate through the filter decreases. A differential pressure higher than the filter manufacturer’s specs is a sign the filter is dirty or, if the filter is clean, that it is undersized for the flow rate. I hope that helps to clear things up.
 
brods said:
Can you provide a link to these filter manufacturer specs you refer to? I think you may have misunderstood what the ratings mean.



Please check with www.zinga.com. if you or (anyone) would like more info please contact me By Phone. I just do not have the time to debate this on a Public forum.



I understand the ratings,it the deception, I don't like.
 
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