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Osama Bin Ladin ARRESTED!
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Like a lot of folks I would have liked nothing more than to have opened the Washinton Post this and have seen a picture of a hole in the ground were Afghanistan used to be.
I think we are gonna find that W is on the right track. Bin Ladin has some 3-5 thoussand "associates". Killing him is his ticket to Allah. Personally I favor going down the list, take out every one associated with him. hiding him, or in any way involved. Then let him sit out in the desert of his choice and see who he can recruit.
Bush,I believe is trying to build the basis of an on going world wide assault on terrorism. That is the only way it can be controlled.
I think we are gonna find that W is on the right track. Bin Ladin has some 3-5 thoussand "associates". Killing him is his ticket to Allah. Personally I favor going down the list, take out every one associated with him. hiding him, or in any way involved. Then let him sit out in the desert of his choice and see who he can recruit.
Bush,I believe is trying to build the basis of an on going world wide assault on terrorism. That is the only way it can be controlled.
terrorism
i went back and read my previous posts, and must apologize for the "venom". i have spent over half my life now trying to save lives and relieve pain. unfortunately this atrocity has brought out more anger than i've felt in a long time. what those cowards did is so senseless. killing thousands of innocent americans will NOT advance their cause. i think this situation can be compared to cancer, however. the world definitely has a cancer, and i think it must be cut out for the world to survive. if only there are not too many metastases already... ... ..... it may be too late. please forgive me, LORD, but you did say "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"!!
i went back and read my previous posts, and must apologize for the "venom". i have spent over half my life now trying to save lives and relieve pain. unfortunately this atrocity has brought out more anger than i've felt in a long time. what those cowards did is so senseless. killing thousands of innocent americans will NOT advance their cause. i think this situation can be compared to cancer, however. the world definitely has a cancer, and i think it must be cut out for the world to survive. if only there are not too many metastases already... ... ..... it may be too late. please forgive me, LORD, but you did say "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"!!
Don't be surprised
We all keep talking about Afghanistan. I think when the military action starts, a lot more countries than just Afghanistan will be hit... HARD. Read between the lines of what GWB is saying. If we were simply going to start bombing, I think you would see things progressing differently. What we are seeing is preparation for a major operation that I believe will make the Persian Gulf War look like the invasion of Grananda. I wouldn't be surprised to see Iraq, Iran, and probably Libya and Syria hit as well. If it was going to be isolated to Afghanistan, the President wouldn't be constantly reminding us that it's going to be a long protracted conflict. Brace yourselves gentlmen. Steel your resolve, it's fixing to get really really ugly.
One last thought, Arafat has always acted like he has no control over the terrorists that are constantly attacking Israel. Have you noticed that all of the sudden the attacks have stopped? It's not because they're sorry for their ways. They know the only thing that has held Israel back from totally demolishing them is the U. S. shaking their finger at Israel telling them not to. Needless to say, even Arafat knows the U. S. is in no mood to tell Israel to take it easy on the Palestinean terrorist state.
Dan
"The people who kill us are our enemies, the people who are trying to help us are our allies"
We all keep talking about Afghanistan. I think when the military action starts, a lot more countries than just Afghanistan will be hit... HARD. Read between the lines of what GWB is saying. If we were simply going to start bombing, I think you would see things progressing differently. What we are seeing is preparation for a major operation that I believe will make the Persian Gulf War look like the invasion of Grananda. I wouldn't be surprised to see Iraq, Iran, and probably Libya and Syria hit as well. If it was going to be isolated to Afghanistan, the President wouldn't be constantly reminding us that it's going to be a long protracted conflict. Brace yourselves gentlmen. Steel your resolve, it's fixing to get really really ugly.
One last thought, Arafat has always acted like he has no control over the terrorists that are constantly attacking Israel. Have you noticed that all of the sudden the attacks have stopped? It's not because they're sorry for their ways. They know the only thing that has held Israel back from totally demolishing them is the U. S. shaking their finger at Israel telling them not to. Needless to say, even Arafat knows the U. S. is in no mood to tell Israel to take it easy on the Palestinean terrorist state.
Dan
"The people who kill us are our enemies, the people who are trying to help us are our allies"
I've chuckled at statements like "Shoot first, ask questions later. " and "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out. "
I don't subscribe to that.
However, this is war, and war is hell. In simple terms (way to simple) a line needs to be drawn in the sand on the issue of terrorism. Those on the wrong side of the line must die, period.
Terrorism is nothing more that "cut and run". In a backyard fist fight or brawl there are winners and losers. When someone pulls a knife and slashes and runs away, that's not fair and is unacceptable. The stakes of the altercation are taken from a 'friendly' fight to a criminal act.
President Kennedy's PT boat was a "cut and run" tactic. Small, fast, hard to hit, lethal. Sneak in under cover, deliver torpedoes, and run like hell. But that was WAR!
This is WAR.
Sorry guys, I'm pissed. The Sunday paper isn't here, the coffee's not ready yet, ain't no NASCAR, ain't no football, there's 40 or 50 THOUSAND family members crying there eyes out, and there's a bunch of lousy (self-editted racial slur) smiling about this.
Joe
I don't subscribe to that.
However, this is war, and war is hell. In simple terms (way to simple) a line needs to be drawn in the sand on the issue of terrorism. Those on the wrong side of the line must die, period.
Terrorism is nothing more that "cut and run". In a backyard fist fight or brawl there are winners and losers. When someone pulls a knife and slashes and runs away, that's not fair and is unacceptable. The stakes of the altercation are taken from a 'friendly' fight to a criminal act.
President Kennedy's PT boat was a "cut and run" tactic. Small, fast, hard to hit, lethal. Sneak in under cover, deliver torpedoes, and run like hell. But that was WAR!
This is WAR.
Sorry guys, I'm pissed. The Sunday paper isn't here, the coffee's not ready yet, ain't no NASCAR, ain't no football, there's 40 or 50 THOUSAND family members crying there eyes out, and there's a bunch of lousy (self-editted racial slur) smiling about this.
Joe
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The Adgan parking lot?
Some thirty years ago the Israelis responded to the killings at the Olympics with a program that might be the model for some of our thoughts and actions in this case. They put hit squads into the field (Europe in this case) with orders to track down and kill the people responsible. It took them years, but they did it. They rained terror on the terrorists because no one knew who was going to get it or when. Their acts could not be turned into effective propaganda against Israel.
Although it is widely suggested that Islamic soldiers take glory in suicide (certainly some have been taught to do this) the Koran is much more restrictive in it's actual approach. Islam in general is not the problem here ... a particular culture that resides within Islam (and branches of Middle Eastern Judism, and Christianity) is. As much as a clear cut target is necessary (and I believe one will be found, although it may not be a single government or perhaps any government at all) Afganistan may be a problematic place to start.
The Taliban was partly our creation (though we've been regretting it for years) they were organised originally to fight the Soviets. Afganistan is still in the midst of a civil war ... so there are people resisting the Taliban with their lives. It is a country that is the opposite to Iraq in many ways. Hugely mountainous, riven with deep caves, it is built for resistance to invaders. The Afgan people are VERY indivdualistic and not oriented toward any government (this may be why the Taliban, with it's religious message has been somewhat more successful in controling parts of it). In the old days the only thing the Afgan's liked better than shooting a tax collector from Kabul off of his motorcycle at 800 yards was doing the same to a Russian. In some ways they are very like Americans.
I, like many of you, believe that there is a connection between some, if not all, of the Taliban rulership (does anyone know exactly how their government is set up?) and Osama bin Ladin. But I wonder sometimes if OBL isn't the Dino DeLaurentis of disaster ... in other words, he may "produce" someone elses terrorist act by financing, or logistics ... contracting services, without being the guy that thought it up. So, of course we should knock the guy off, but let's not make this situation so simple that we don't keep out eyes open to others that might be involved.
When we ask governments to "give up" terrorists that they are hosting, we must also consider if that action is possible. It was common for groups like Hamas (and the IRA) to come into a house, put a gun to some kid's head and tell the mother or father that they were going to use the second floor of the house for a sniper or rocket attack. Asking "the Palistinians" to give up Hamas would be like France demanding that the US give up the Mafia. Noble, yet impossible. Although they spout a lot of the same retoric as OBL, it's possible that the Taliban has gotten as screwed by this thing as the Palistinians. Someone just put a big target on their heads and they can't be happy about that ... before you object to this line of reasoning please remember that both are locked in life or death struggles with forces much closer to home and don't need the most powerful nation on earth pissed off at them.
I think that our government needs to hit every possible angle of this thing. Grab the Israelis and the Palistinians both by the scruff of their necks and tell them to knock it off ... get that political equasion out of the way so no one can claim it as an excuse for future terrorism (or at least to make it a harder arguement -- peace there is a 50 year effort). All active terrorist groups should be targeted (the "let God sort them out" approach) but very specifically so there is as little collateral damage as possible. This potentially means assasinations but also means freezing assets, out and out stealing (We have people in this country who can rip off anything, I say put them to work!), then add programs to aid (not so much with money as education and work opportunities) kids who might grow up in a terrorist environment. --- This is the place that Israel has been screwing up for years. --- If you live in the Alamo you have nothing better to do that fight ... if you have something to lose you will think long and hard about taking up a gun or strapping on a bomb. We seem to believe that these suicide troops are common in the middle east (and they are, compared to here) but it is still a small minority who can be manipulated into doing so (note that a lot of the "suicide pilots" seem to be related ... perhaps the thing that has motivated them is particular to those few families).
I find my self a hawk in this situation, but a careful hawk. I don't want a scapegoat. I want the A-holes that did it! I don't want to feel good in the short run. I want to be confident in the long run. Whoever did this had an operatic sense of theater. Whatever we do should be more creative and surprising ... though not necessarily "bigger. "
Above all we must not be so predictible that we fall into their trap. This was done to get a response. We must ask ourselves why. If massive retaliation against Afganistan allows someone to claim that the US is in a war against a religion, and that gives the terrorist a chance to have another government shield him when he pops a nuke in Tel Aviv or Chicago I'm not interested in hitting Afganistan full on. I want to do something that is different and unpredictable ... something that can't be conventionally defined. If the government can't think something up I know about fifty authors who can!
Mostly, I don't want the media to stampede our country right into a trap ... that is bad warfighting.
The Afgan parking lot? I wouldn't vote for it. The personal, Osama bin Ladin parking lot ... possibly. Better yet, one moment of realization when the cold muzzle of a pistol touches the back of the terrorist's neck ... that's good enough for me.
Please excuse my spelling and grammer, I was going pretty fast.
Some thirty years ago the Israelis responded to the killings at the Olympics with a program that might be the model for some of our thoughts and actions in this case. They put hit squads into the field (Europe in this case) with orders to track down and kill the people responsible. It took them years, but they did it. They rained terror on the terrorists because no one knew who was going to get it or when. Their acts could not be turned into effective propaganda against Israel.
Although it is widely suggested that Islamic soldiers take glory in suicide (certainly some have been taught to do this) the Koran is much more restrictive in it's actual approach. Islam in general is not the problem here ... a particular culture that resides within Islam (and branches of Middle Eastern Judism, and Christianity) is. As much as a clear cut target is necessary (and I believe one will be found, although it may not be a single government or perhaps any government at all) Afganistan may be a problematic place to start.
The Taliban was partly our creation (though we've been regretting it for years) they were organised originally to fight the Soviets. Afganistan is still in the midst of a civil war ... so there are people resisting the Taliban with their lives. It is a country that is the opposite to Iraq in many ways. Hugely mountainous, riven with deep caves, it is built for resistance to invaders. The Afgan people are VERY indivdualistic and not oriented toward any government (this may be why the Taliban, with it's religious message has been somewhat more successful in controling parts of it). In the old days the only thing the Afgan's liked better than shooting a tax collector from Kabul off of his motorcycle at 800 yards was doing the same to a Russian. In some ways they are very like Americans.
I, like many of you, believe that there is a connection between some, if not all, of the Taliban rulership (does anyone know exactly how their government is set up?) and Osama bin Ladin. But I wonder sometimes if OBL isn't the Dino DeLaurentis of disaster ... in other words, he may "produce" someone elses terrorist act by financing, or logistics ... contracting services, without being the guy that thought it up. So, of course we should knock the guy off, but let's not make this situation so simple that we don't keep out eyes open to others that might be involved.
When we ask governments to "give up" terrorists that they are hosting, we must also consider if that action is possible. It was common for groups like Hamas (and the IRA) to come into a house, put a gun to some kid's head and tell the mother or father that they were going to use the second floor of the house for a sniper or rocket attack. Asking "the Palistinians" to give up Hamas would be like France demanding that the US give up the Mafia. Noble, yet impossible. Although they spout a lot of the same retoric as OBL, it's possible that the Taliban has gotten as screwed by this thing as the Palistinians. Someone just put a big target on their heads and they can't be happy about that ... before you object to this line of reasoning please remember that both are locked in life or death struggles with forces much closer to home and don't need the most powerful nation on earth pissed off at them.
I think that our government needs to hit every possible angle of this thing. Grab the Israelis and the Palistinians both by the scruff of their necks and tell them to knock it off ... get that political equasion out of the way so no one can claim it as an excuse for future terrorism (or at least to make it a harder arguement -- peace there is a 50 year effort). All active terrorist groups should be targeted (the "let God sort them out" approach) but very specifically so there is as little collateral damage as possible. This potentially means assasinations but also means freezing assets, out and out stealing (We have people in this country who can rip off anything, I say put them to work!), then add programs to aid (not so much with money as education and work opportunities) kids who might grow up in a terrorist environment. --- This is the place that Israel has been screwing up for years. --- If you live in the Alamo you have nothing better to do that fight ... if you have something to lose you will think long and hard about taking up a gun or strapping on a bomb. We seem to believe that these suicide troops are common in the middle east (and they are, compared to here) but it is still a small minority who can be manipulated into doing so (note that a lot of the "suicide pilots" seem to be related ... perhaps the thing that has motivated them is particular to those few families).
I find my self a hawk in this situation, but a careful hawk. I don't want a scapegoat. I want the A-holes that did it! I don't want to feel good in the short run. I want to be confident in the long run. Whoever did this had an operatic sense of theater. Whatever we do should be more creative and surprising ... though not necessarily "bigger. "
Above all we must not be so predictible that we fall into their trap. This was done to get a response. We must ask ourselves why. If massive retaliation against Afganistan allows someone to claim that the US is in a war against a religion, and that gives the terrorist a chance to have another government shield him when he pops a nuke in Tel Aviv or Chicago I'm not interested in hitting Afganistan full on. I want to do something that is different and unpredictable ... something that can't be conventionally defined. If the government can't think something up I know about fifty authors who can!
Mostly, I don't want the media to stampede our country right into a trap ... that is bad warfighting.
The Afgan parking lot? I wouldn't vote for it. The personal, Osama bin Ladin parking lot ... possibly. Better yet, one moment of realization when the cold muzzle of a pistol touches the back of the terrorist's neck ... that's good enough for me.
Please excuse my spelling and grammer, I was going pretty fast.
My personal view towards those in places like Afganistan who think their path to Heaven will be assured by their martyr death or murdering Americans in cowardly attacks is:
Step right up into our gunsights fellas, let us help speed you on your way...
Step right up into our gunsights fellas, let us help speed you on your way...
Can you go without $$$, how long?
Bros, I too would love to see some "revenge", or just flatten the whole place and reap the benefits of its riches... OIL. Will that stop terrorism? Certainly not! The only reason this cancerous crime to humanity does so well at spreading fear and death is due to his being a millionaire. You and I or anyone for that matter cannot do much of anything without money. "Simple" many will say, well that "religeous leader" has taken on the U. S. with a very simplistic approach, who would ever thought that our own airliners would become missles to kill our own! Plastic knives and that same tool you used to stock shelves at the market when you were a kid!
Bottom line, Bin Laden must be relieved of his assets, he does not hide it under his mattress, so you hire the best hackers money can buy and transfer his money to a charity! Our government allready has at least one of his credit accounts information. This is an enemy that thinks differently than its rivals we must counter his operations in much the same way, emotion will not do here. Fight fire with fire, a more uncommon approach is needed here.
Lets "change channels" here for a minute. Should the U. S. walk away from its support of ISRAEL? Many folks believe that we should. If you start to become "overwhelmed" by your enemy, is it time to change your standards? I know this can turn into a real "touchy" subject, but it is on the table while we speak. If you "upset" your own, I believe the "fabric" of an otherwise common cause motivated group will start to fray.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Mike
Bros, I too would love to see some "revenge", or just flatten the whole place and reap the benefits of its riches... OIL. Will that stop terrorism? Certainly not! The only reason this cancerous crime to humanity does so well at spreading fear and death is due to his being a millionaire. You and I or anyone for that matter cannot do much of anything without money. "Simple" many will say, well that "religeous leader" has taken on the U. S. with a very simplistic approach, who would ever thought that our own airliners would become missles to kill our own! Plastic knives and that same tool you used to stock shelves at the market when you were a kid!
Bottom line, Bin Laden must be relieved of his assets, he does not hide it under his mattress, so you hire the best hackers money can buy and transfer his money to a charity! Our government allready has at least one of his credit accounts information. This is an enemy that thinks differently than its rivals we must counter his operations in much the same way, emotion will not do here. Fight fire with fire, a more uncommon approach is needed here.
Lets "change channels" here for a minute. Should the U. S. walk away from its support of ISRAEL? Many folks believe that we should. If you start to become "overwhelmed" by your enemy, is it time to change your standards? I know this can turn into a real "touchy" subject, but it is on the table while we speak. If you "upset" your own, I believe the "fabric" of an otherwise common cause motivated group will start to fray.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Mike
I have never been able to figure out the reasoning for our support of Israel since the beginning. The Jews basically invaded Palestine and took it over after WWII, a practice that we wouldn't condone now days. It has been a thorn in our sides ever since and always will be. I for one would be behind us pulling out support for them but it will never happen this late in the game.
illflem,
The Jews did not just wake up one morning and decide to go and invade anyone. They were attacked and went into Palestine to push them back from their populations. They were at war with them and conquered the land. It is theirs now. No way around it.
If you attack another country and that country fights back and takes your land. You lost it. Its gone.
Don~
The Jews did not just wake up one morning and decide to go and invade anyone. They were attacked and went into Palestine to push them back from their populations. They were at war with them and conquered the land. It is theirs now. No way around it.
If you attack another country and that country fights back and takes your land. You lost it. Its gone.
Don~
Formation of Israel
As far as I can remember the US was only marginally involved in the formation of Israel. Certainly the holocaust had something to do with it ... and I think England was the greater architect. The occupied territories were areas that Israel expanded into that originally were supposed to belong to Palistine. The US really got into the Israeli thing after they beat the coalition of Arab forces in the 1967 war. At that point, it seems, the US thought they'd be a good asset against the Soviets in the middle east and started helping out big time.
Israel will not go away and I doubt that US support, or the lack of it, will change anything ... except make us look chicken (and that's a joke, we trotted out The Battle Hymn of the Republic at the National Cathedral, and that means "watch out!"). Israel has the only european, imperial, army in the area ... I won't get started on what that means but basically the country might become a war zone, they might start a racist or theological slaughter on their own, but they aren't going to get beaten, US or no US.
Israel is a PR nightmare (this is especially appearent if you've lived in other countries but you've got to hand it to them ... they've got guts and they are ruthless. If they made me king for a day I'd send all the ex state dept. types Albright, Kissinger, etc. over there and while Powell works on the rest of the world I'd give this new group whatever they needed to wrestle the two sides into submission. That way if someone wants to claim they are doing it for the poor Palistinians their hypocracy will stick out like a sore thumb. We should remove all the tissue from around this particular cancer so that what we do and what they do looks as simple as possible ... then the rest of the world and history can judge us as fairly as possible.
Interesting how something like this has got us all making policy!
As far as I can remember the US was only marginally involved in the formation of Israel. Certainly the holocaust had something to do with it ... and I think England was the greater architect. The occupied territories were areas that Israel expanded into that originally were supposed to belong to Palistine. The US really got into the Israeli thing after they beat the coalition of Arab forces in the 1967 war. At that point, it seems, the US thought they'd be a good asset against the Soviets in the middle east and started helping out big time.
Israel will not go away and I doubt that US support, or the lack of it, will change anything ... except make us look chicken (and that's a joke, we trotted out The Battle Hymn of the Republic at the National Cathedral, and that means "watch out!"). Israel has the only european, imperial, army in the area ... I won't get started on what that means but basically the country might become a war zone, they might start a racist or theological slaughter on their own, but they aren't going to get beaten, US or no US.
Israel is a PR nightmare (this is especially appearent if you've lived in other countries but you've got to hand it to them ... they've got guts and they are ruthless. If they made me king for a day I'd send all the ex state dept. types Albright, Kissinger, etc. over there and while Powell works on the rest of the world I'd give this new group whatever they needed to wrestle the two sides into submission. That way if someone wants to claim they are doing it for the poor Palistinians their hypocracy will stick out like a sore thumb. We should remove all the tissue from around this particular cancer so that what we do and what they do looks as simple as possible ... then the rest of the world and history can judge us as fairly as possible.
Interesting how something like this has got us all making policy!
Don's comment
Actually, I agree with that ... I didn't quiet make myself clear. The OT was established by the UN, right?
I've always wondered if the Arab states involved in the two wars (Egypt being the only to bravely take the higher road) haven't had it in for the US because they'd like to think that the toughest guy on the block (US) beat them up rather than a bunch of accountants in glasses ... it's just not very macho when the guys Hitler squashed open a can of whup-*** on you. Well, there was a certain amount of natural selection in the '30s and '40s, and these days it's not a good idea to get on the wrong side of the Israelis ... especially if they are close at hand.
Actually, I agree with that ... I didn't quiet make myself clear. The OT was established by the UN, right?
I've always wondered if the Arab states involved in the two wars (Egypt being the only to bravely take the higher road) haven't had it in for the US because they'd like to think that the toughest guy on the block (US) beat them up rather than a bunch of accountants in glasses ... it's just not very macho when the guys Hitler squashed open a can of whup-*** on you. Well, there was a certain amount of natural selection in the '30s and '40s, and these days it's not a good idea to get on the wrong side of the Israelis ... especially if they are close at hand.
Might be because you forgot some of your history lessons, Bill.
Back around 1920 or so, just about all of the Middle East was under British control (called a "mandate"). We had no problem with this because the Brits kept the Arabs in line while we got their oil.
In 1948, the Brits partitioned Palestine (still under "mandate") and gave the Jews a homeland, called "Israel". This was mainly because the Brits didn't want Jewish refugees coming to England. We were OK with this, also.
We support Israel on a practical level because of the large, well-to-do, and politically active Jewish constituency in our country. We support them on an emotional level because their religion is closer to Christianity than is Islam, they agree with us politically for the most part, and we love the underdog.
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I am surprised at the reply to my question as to if we should continue our support to Israel. There are a lot of folks at work that seem to feel we should say "so long" to Israel. I do not recall our nation ever ducking tail and/or changing its values due to scare tactics, if we do now, or ever we will simply fall into the hands of the evil that is akin to Bin Laden's cause.
I was beside myself one day when a co-worker who immigrated from Hungary in the 70s told me "Hitler was right, those Jew Ba$tards had it coming". This is the sickness that feeds the hate monster and nurtures it. Like many, the Jews have been scapegoats many times.
The post before this one stated that we back the underdog (not verbatum), yes this is true and it is just. Look at the Third world that we, at times, have supported, they flip-flop on MAJOR policies on a continueous and unpredictale basis. The U. S. is and has been one of few countries that has the BA!!$ to stand for what is right rather than the "flavor of the month". We are, rightly so, very proud of this.
If you run rather than stand for whats right you will fall for anything. I do not recall where it is said or written but I understand "there is a special place in HE!! for those who remain nuetral at a time of conflict".
I am surprised at the reply to my question as to if we should continue our support to Israel. There are a lot of folks at work that seem to feel we should say "so long" to Israel. I do not recall our nation ever ducking tail and/or changing its values due to scare tactics, if we do now, or ever we will simply fall into the hands of the evil that is akin to Bin Laden's cause.
I was beside myself one day when a co-worker who immigrated from Hungary in the 70s told me "Hitler was right, those Jew Ba$tards had it coming". This is the sickness that feeds the hate monster and nurtures it. Like many, the Jews have been scapegoats many times.
The post before this one stated that we back the underdog (not verbatum), yes this is true and it is just. Look at the Third world that we, at times, have supported, they flip-flop on MAJOR policies on a continueous and unpredictale basis. The U. S. is and has been one of few countries that has the BA!!$ to stand for what is right rather than the "flavor of the month". We are, rightly so, very proud of this.
If you run rather than stand for whats right you will fall for anything. I do not recall where it is said or written but I understand "there is a special place in HE!! for those who remain nuetral at a time of conflict".
Well, seems to me that BL'Amour, Bill Lins, Don M are on the right track. Not only should you fight a war like a war should be fought (Don M). But you better get all of the inteligence you can on who you are fighting (BL'Amour, Bill Lins). Turning Afganistan into a parking lot might be the right thing to do but we won't know that until we have gotten a serious education about what we are gettin into. It seems that our current administration is educating itself and setting up a game plan based on that education as we speak. Just imagine if ALGORE was in office!!! We would be getting major battle plans off of Larry King Live! (Does everyone still remember the invasion of Somolia!) Or worse yet. Targeting
Afganistan and hitting the Chinese embassy instead!
Afganistan and hitting the Chinese embassy instead!
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unfortunately, the war about to start likely won't have a "winner", in the sense that has been seen in the past conflicts. it also likely won' t have and "end". our grandchildren likely will inherit a world with ongoing armed conflict. my fear is that too many folks may have nuclear capabilities now. nuclear warheads in the hands of people the likes of which attacked the WTC potentially could be the end of us all. the usa is not insulated by distance any more. atmospheric movement of fallout even from around the world could kill us all!! we've also seen what a relatively small number of zealots can do to us on our own soil! it is going to be very difficult to prevent all of the potential ways they can hurt us right here at home. my understanding is that there are supposedly more terrorists in the usa at this time with malicious intent. i hope they can be tracked down before they strike.
unfortunately, the war about to start likely won't have a "winner", in the sense that has been seen in the past conflicts. it also likely won' t have and "end". our grandchildren likely will inherit a world with ongoing armed conflict. my fear is that too many folks may have nuclear capabilities now. nuclear warheads in the hands of people the likes of which attacked the WTC potentially could be the end of us all. the usa is not insulated by distance any more. atmospheric movement of fallout even from around the world could kill us all!! we've also seen what a relatively small number of zealots can do to us on our own soil! it is going to be very difficult to prevent all of the potential ways they can hurt us right here at home. my understanding is that there are supposedly more terrorists in the usa at this time with malicious intent. i hope they can be tracked down before they strike.
Redneckdr, Yes, this is different, the past wars were to protect the underdog from the enemy, the "New War" will be to prevent men of their "faith" from taking us on. A BIG difference. As you pointed out, how can you take on an enemy that is in your country... they have proven that we will provide the weapons! I do understand the "go get um" feeling but I think this is more of an emotional rather than practical means of getting the job done. Bin Laden must be relieved of his wealth! I am sure most are aware by now that Bin Laden has not only launched a successful terrorist act but has made money doing so, I am speaking of his insurance scam. I do think that we are on the right track in rounding up as many of these killers as possible, and I tend to agree with the idea of closing our borders to a select few as we are giving our country away by simply leaving the door open.
Mike
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