Our Gun Rights are being challanged again.

[bighammer]

Patriot, (and others) how would you feel if your un-locked gun was stolen while you were away. Maybe a friend or neighbor witnesses the getaway and ends up getting blown away with YOUR gun. Even if it's not somebody you know, chances are real good that YOUR gun is going to hurt somebody somewhere some day. I couldn't live with that.



Personally, I think keeping a gun in anything less than a secure gun vault is inviting trouble.



(JMHO of course)

 

[The patriot]

Well, I DO keep mine locked up, actually in a safe. For the longest time I kept the 357 next to the bed, but the wife convinced me to safe it too. Even if I didnt, my house is alarmed, and the police response is pretty good around here.

If someone stole something from me, and used it to commit a crime, I would feel bad that the crime was commited,(I feel bad when bad things happen to ANYBODY ) but I wouldnt feel responsible. Not at all!!

Even tough I'm not that old,(38) I cant relate to this new age touchy feely generation.

I was exposed to guns at a very early age. I was taught the basic safety at about age 5.

1 A gun is ALWAYS loaded.

2 Never point a gun at something you dont intend to shoot.

3 Know what is behind your target.

Until I'd guess about 12 or 13, I was not allowed to touch the guns until my Father was there. If I did, when he got home from work I'd get a beating. They were unsecured,(firearms and ammo stored together) and this worked well.

Eric

 

[The patriot]

Bighammer, it would be a bad move to break into my house. First, they got to deal with the dogs, second... my neighbor is State police.

Eric

 

[KMC]

Ah, yes the dogs... Would youl ike to meet Bo and Midnight, Mr. Burglar? They sleep in the living room outside our door.



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[Shovelhead]

Originally posted by KMC

Ah, yes the dogs... Would youl ike to meet Bo and Midnight, Mr. Burglar? They sleep in the living room outside our door.



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And look, the one on the left must be friendly... ... ... he's smiling.

 

[M Barnett]

I think what bothers me so much about Dodgeboyz remarks is that he assumes we aren't worring about anything but gun control. Does he think gun control is all I'm capable of worring about? I fought in the Viet Nam war and raised three daughters. I have logged three million miles on the nations highways with never an accident and I do believe I'm capable of doing a little more with my life than just worring about gun control. My take on him is if you got a horse and cart, don't worry about the horse, worry about the cart. Maybe after his horse is gone, he will wonder what good is the cart.

Michael

 

[Jumbo Jet]

It is not ALL just about guns. It's about personal liberty. Personal SELF protection. Personal freedom. Personal property.



UNITED or 'corporate' liberty, freedom, and protection are all good political platforms. When it comes down to it, there are not enough police to protect you and your personal assets.



My house was burglarized last Friday. The police wanted to make sure everything was listed so that my insurance can replace everything. They will never replace the 100 year old 18K gold pocket watch that was my Grandfathers. Or, my wifes pearl ring given to her when she was 13 by her father.



They didn't get my guns. They were locked in a safe.



I am on a road trip out of state. I have two guns with me. Not because I live in fear, but because I learned years ago to be prepared. I was left tied up face down on a concrete floor after the robber placed a pistol in the back of my head and pulled the trigger. It is only by the grace of God that I am here today.



I try to keep a sharp look out and never place myself in a position to be taken advantage.



You can protect yourself with whatever tool you chose. Personally, I like a gun.



Dodgeboyz first post could lead to a lot of different topics. Since it was about guns, I think everyone has a right to express their personal gun beliefs.



There are many things more important than my guns. But my guns help protect those important things.

 

[Rob Thomas]

Take all the guns away!!

Yep, if you take all the guns away, I'll still kill ya with my hammer, or a shovel, or a rock, or my bow, or a crow-bar, or just plain run you down with my truck.



Like plenty of others stated, "It's not the GUNS that KILL", nor is it the "speeders" on the road that kill, SOMEONE caused the action.



Why people want guns "controlled"? The way I see it, guns are the easiest way to harm someone, but take guns away, what's next in line? Refer to my list above for choices, or add your own. Then what, take away all hammers? I'm not tryin' to be funny, it's a fact, do you really think by having guns removed the killing will stop? I think not, way back when, there was no guns, and plenty of people were on the reciving end of whatever the weapon at the time was.



Accidental gun deaths? Sure there are some, but how many people are accidentally killed by, auto accidents, motorcycles, falling off a roof, ladder, widow, or any number of various accidents?



I have several gun's, including hand-guns, all are locked and unloaded, except ONE hand-gun, I have no kids in my house, and being locked wont do me any good if/when I need it.



As far as Grannie's 17 yr old grandson killing step-dad, or any other senerio of the like, the person who pulled the trigger is responable, not Grannie, wheather the gun was locked or not, not the gun manufacturer's, not the bullet manufacturers, not the kid from 10 years ago that called you some silly name in school, YOU are responsable, YOU knew what it would do, yet you pulled the trigger anyways, now YOU must answer for it.



I have a bad temper at times, and a real short fuse, but I NEVER pulled my gun on anyone, nor have I shot anyone, there's most always other way's to resolve the issuse at hand, alot of people dont think before they act.



I was raised well IMO, and my Dad taught me about guns when I was still young, and I have great respect for them, and realise what they can do. The reason I have guns is that... ... ..... I hunt,... ... ... ... . I want a piece of mind in that I maybee able to defend myself if/when it comes to that,... ... because the same reason I have other things, because I wanted to... ... ... ... ... . and it is MY RIGHT TO!



Taking my guns away won't stop anything, not even the anti's whinin', 'cause then they'll cry about my hammer being the culprit.



This is not directed at any one person, it's just my opinion.



Good day, Later, Rob

 

[KMC]

Good points Rob. Not to mention the fact that they will never be able to take all the guns away. All it will do is remove them from law abiding citizens. The black market among crooks will explode and they will prey on the unarmed. The anti's just don't seem to understand this. Govt's tried prohibition with Alchohol, the war on drugs all to no avail. Do they really expect it would be different with guns?

 

['956Wheel]

Moderator... hurry quick some bad man can't read and now its all my fault.



Don't worry about me, SD I may not be too big but when those two morons "asked" for my wallet at 11:00 pm, while walking my dog... I dropped it! One went for it and met my foot in his right temple, rover got the other, their gun was in the street and the ambulance was on its way. NO COP NEEDED! The cops can no longer protect the good guy.



Yes, I still walk my dog whenever I wish... . its a free country ya know!



Mike

 

[Steve M]

Statistics are a way to manipulate anyone's point of view. Accidental shootings aren't too common and aren't the real problem. The real problem is when cowards use guns to make up for their useless existance.

I shed tears several times today. I lost a friend. She was an absolutely beautiful brunette with the darkest almond shaped eyes and a heart grabbing smile. She was a hard worker and loved by all who knew her. Her husband shot her in the head Saturday at 4:00pm. I guess he didn't love her.

I have my guns and have no intention of getting rid of them. But I sure wish I knew how to keep guns out of the hands of total idiots like the one mentioned above.



Woman slain in parking lot

St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla. ; Jul 21, 2002; MIKE BRASSFIELD;



Abstract:

At that point, [Mike Saraceno] walked out, said assistant manager Jim Pappas. Then [Pam Saraceno] told Pappas that she was stepping outside as well.



Pappas ran out and saw Mike Saraceno's van speeding away. He saw Pam Saraceno lying next to her car, about 50 feet from the restaurant's front door. She was bleeding from her head.



[Allen Frye], of Ohio, assists Clearwater rescue personnel in trying to resuscitate Pam Saraceno; June Schmeho and [Robert Lee] watch as rescue personnel try to save their co-worker's life. (ran City & State); Photo: PHOTO, KINFAY MOROTI, (2)



Full Text:

Copyright Times Publishing Co. Jul 21, 2002



It was a perfectly ordinary Saturday afternoon when Pam Saraceno arrived for her shift waiting tables at Country Harvest, a restaurant her brother owns.



Moments later, her estranged husband walked in. The two argued in the restaurant, then moved outside.



Then, police say, Mike Saraceno shot his wife and sped away in his van.



An Ohio tourist who was in the restaurant performed CPR on the wounded woman in the parking lot before a helicopter flew her to the hospital.



For an anxious hour, her co-workers and her brother, restaurant owner Jim Trizis, waited for word.



The phone call came.



"She's dead," Trizis announced, and broke into tears.



Pam Saraceno, 35, was shot about 4 p. m. outside Country Harvest, a family restaurant in a yellow faux barn at 1285 S Missouri Ave. , in a strip mall south of downtown Clearwater. Although the restaurant was busy, customers inside apparently did not see the shooting.



Mike Saraceno, 40, of Oldsmar, soon turned himself in, calling the police from the Hess gas station at U. S. 19 and Harn Boulevard. He handed over a gun. He is charged with first-degree murder.



The Saracenos married in 1998 but had split up.



Pam Saraceno comes from a restaurant family. Her father and brothers have owned various local eateries, including Country Harvest and the Country Skillet in Largo.



Saturday, the family was devastated.



"It blew my mind," Trizis said. "It came out of nowhere. "



Employees said Mike Saraceno appeared at the restaurant minutes after his wife arrived for work. He had repeatedly called, asking when she would be in. The two got into an intense discussion.



"They're talking. He starts getting irate," recalled cook Robert Lee. "He's talking about how he's going to flee town, like he's in trouble. He's going to go to Boston. She wants her pictures or something. "



At that point, Mike Saraceno walked out, said assistant manager Jim Pappas. Then Pam Saraceno told Pappas that she was stepping outside as well.



A busboy heard the gunshot. He looked outside and saw Pam Saraceno on the ground. He frantically alerted the other workers, who ran outside.



Pappas ran out and saw Mike Saraceno's van speeding away. He saw Pam Saraceno lying next to her car, about 50 feet from the restaurant's front door. She was bleeding from her head.



Tourist Allen Frye performed CPR. A BayFlite helicopter landed in a sports bar's parking lot across the street and took her to Bayfront Medical Center. But it was too late. She was pronounced dead soon after arriving at the hospital.



Afterward, a sign saying, "Sorry, we are closed," was posted at Country Harvest's front door, as a few patrons finished their meals.



"I never heard anything," said Bruce McKay, 55, of Clearwater.



Cooks and servers stood together around the restaurant's front counter, trying to come to grips with what had happened.



"She was a fantastic person," Pappas said, shaking his head. "Very nice, a good worker. A fantastic person. "



[Illustration]

Caption: Allen Frye, of Ohio, assists Clearwater rescue personnel in trying to resuscitate Pam Saraceno; June Schmeho and Robert Lee watch as rescue personnel try to save their co-worker's life. (ran City & State); Photo: PHOTO, KINFAY MOROTI, (2)

 

[vinconco]

Steve M

The problem with freedom is that it ain't free.

 

[Steve M]

Then it's not freedom at all.

 

[vinconco]

Yo steve;

Then everyone that fought and died for freedom died for nothing? Please tell me thats not what you mean... .

 

[Sled Puller]

Steve M old buddy, I hope you don't want us to start posting about crimes that were prevented or lives saved BECAUSE of a gun?

It would overload the server.

Gene

 

[Koa Man]

Originally posted by KMC



In 1938 Germany did establish gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13-million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were rounded up and killed.

Why would Hitler kill Catholics? Wasn't he a Catholic?

 

[baby.driver]

The colt was called the equalizer because a little guy can defend himself from an attack of a big guy.

Think of a 5 foot 6 inch guy, maybe has arthritis, can't run too fast, wife and 2/3 or more kids, and the bad guys try for a car jacking. A gun is the ONLY way to go. You might get killed... but without it you ARE going to be killed.

Soon we'll all need permits to cross state lines anyway... .....



Jay

 

[illflem]

How about the gun control in Afghanistan? No grenade/rocket launchers or guns over 50 caliber allowed for private citizens, everything else goes. Sure helped protect their freedom right?

 

[sdalton]

ilflem, what that is is a Holy War, and should not be related to anything else around the world. If you are referring to the Taliban taking over the government years back, well they did that to themselves. At the time, the Talibans thinking was the majority, and they just got through with the long fight with the USSR. The Taliban was strong, outspoken and appealed to the moral and religious philosophy of the majority of the country. The Taliban fast invoked their rule, and then became oppressive. Small arms alone cannot stop a Holy War, and that is what the large portion of the Afghan country was involved in. If they didnt have guns or bombs to kill each other, they would probably strap a bunch of rocks to themselves and hurl themselves over a cliff at their enemy. Hmmm, sounds like a possible Monty Python skit.

What happened in Afghanistan and the Taliban was a civil uprising and therefore their own problem to work out. What the country did to the world after that became a world problem. I am referring to Jihad and terrorism.



Oh, I have better watch out, this might turn into a religious debate now.

 

[Warpig]

Am I too late to reply???

If the DemocRats worried about this economy as much as they do gun control, we'd all be rich. Then we would all have more money to buy more guns!!!!! I'm thinking about chopping a hole in the roof of my Dodge and installing a turret so I can mount my 50 cal. any suggestions??



Tim W.