over cab running lights

[WPflepsen]

I think some people were talking about the replacement teardrop lights for the 250's and 350's a while back but I just ordered a new set from JCWhitney: the "deluxe amber running lights," catalog #126662. They are identical to the stock lights on my 1993 dually, right down to the stamping SAE-P-88 on the housing, leading me to believe this may be OEM. They are made by a company called Pacer, and marketed as the HI-FIVE. Retail is about $45 for the set.



-Jake

 

[Paychk]

jcwhitney.com needs ZX126662X... I'm not so sure those are the stock 1st. gen Dually cab lights. Mine look like the attach picture below only the chrome is plastic. Are you sure yours are stock? or maybe mine aren't



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54796&stc=1

 

[EZeis]

Paychk,

The pic you attached is the correct style as the OEM lights. Also if you look at the front of the amber lens, you should find the Chrysler star on them. Also if you removed the light, on the bottom of the housing is the Chrysler part numbers, one for argent housing and one for the chrome housing. I'm guessing Chrysler quit making them. I'd love to find some smaller less ugly LED lights, but with the odd ball mounting hole pattern, I have yet to find something to fit the holes in my cab. At least mine are in good shape and they work, just too huge and ugly for me.



Earl

 

[bgilbert]

Here's what oem looks like. I love oem. I bought a 2nd gen style set from JCW, then finally found some 1st gen cab lights in a junkyard, bought everyone they had. IMO these are items you must pick up if you see in good condition at a junkyard if reasonably priced. Not available new and many guys want to them for trucks that didn't have them originally and guys that need replacements.

 

[mysteryman]

cab lights

I looked up the part # you listed on the JC Whitney sight . It is not the same part as the one in the picture that you posted. here is the url.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/...tom-0/p-2003372/N-111+600002907+10201/c-10101



Grote used to make the light for chry..... who made the ones that you have and what is the correct part # and source for getting them? thx

jcwhitney.com needs ZX126662X... I'm not so sure those are the stock 1st. gen Dually cab lights. Mine look like the attach picture below only the chrome is plastic. Are you sure yours are stock? or maybe mine aren't



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54796&stc=1

 

[WPflepsen]

correction

Hey Guys,

Sorry for the confusion. The JCWhitney lights are identical to the ones on my 93 350 Cummins, which I assumed were stock. Having looked at the responses and even referenced my original brochures, it looks as if my originals were replaced at sometime. Odd because the truck was so infrequently used, but I guess things happen.



-Jake

 

[Paychk]

Thanks for the update... was wondering about it.



BTW Welcome to the Forum!

 

[mysteryman]

????

ok. let me say it another way..... the light that is in the picture at the link below that you posted... ... .



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...tid=54796&stc=1



Where did the light come from????who sold it to you???? what is the part # of the light in the picture in the link above?? JCW does not sell any light like the one in the picture. thx ... ///Terry

Hey Guys,

Sorry for the confusion. The JCWhitney lights are identical to the ones on my 93 350 Cummins, which I assumed were stock. Having looked at the responses and even referenced my original brochures, it looks as if my originals were replaced at sometime. Odd because the truck was so infrequently used, but I guess things happen.



-Jake

 

[Philip]

I was the one that posted the pic that Paychk linked to.



The only markings on this light are on the lens. It says Hella in the middle of the lens. On the top portion of the lens it says SAE P2PC84DT. On the bottom of the lens it says Mexico.



There are no markings on the inside of the housing.

 

[Braveair78]

I found a set of stock cab lights on Ebay... they are the Hella chrome variety and the seller on ebay is "A&M lighting" (no affiliation)... they seem to be the

only place that I have found that offers that light. I think this is a new offering from Hella... just nobody seems to stock them... check on ebay... and you should see a few more sets.

 

[mysteryman]

cab lights

I got a pic today of the light in question... It is a hella light alright!! I sent the pic to the head of engineering at hella... He had been telling me all week that they never made the light... :-{} After he saw todays picture he began to eat a lot of crow..... I also was able to find the oe vendor # of the orginals with the help of one of my friends up north... . As it turns out Signal stat was the main vendor . Hella was the second and then Grote was the third..... They were used 75 to 93 ... . Signal stat is now part of Trucklite and no one there knows anything... Grote was cluless as was Hella as well... ... .

After sending in the pic to Hella that had their name all over it there was not much more that they could come up with to blow me off except the thought that I could not meet the minimum order for a run to be done... . I called their bluff. . I faxed a letter of credit and an order for 500 pieces. Perhaps now they will get their act together enough to do a quote... ... At this point they can't even figure out what their own part # is..... Real sharp bunch we have working out there today... Come monday I expect that I will have a quote from them.....

Braveair78, If you find one of the boxes that yours came in please do post all that is written on the box so I can compair it to the info on the quote they send me... ... . It will be interesting to see how this turns out... ... I really do not need the lights that much but it just ****** me off that the vendors could not answer a simple question on such a common part... . No need to worry. I won't get stuck with all the the lights . . I have 2 fleet owners that told me they would take them... . I am figuring that I should be able to get them for about 4 bucks each or less

I found a set of stock cab lights on Ebay... they are the Hella chrome variety and the seller on ebay is "A&M lighting" (no affiliation)... they seem to be the

only place that I have found that offers that light. I think this is a new offering from Hella... just nobody seems to stock them... check on ebay... and you should see a few more sets.

 

[Braveair78]

Your research was just too much... . anyway, I should get them sometime next week... I will post all the numbers that are on them and if they have any numbers on the box I will post that as well. I did find the Hella part number at one point and went to their website and went thru the files... when I found the part number in question, instead of a picture of the light, there was "NEW" next to it... . but, any info I get I will post... . your looking into this was fantastic... Oo.

 

[Buffalo]

I don't know if you guys are interested in this, or not, but quite a number of years ago, I wanted clearance lights for my 91. 5 W-250 & the factory ones were a little expensive & I liked the ones on the second gen's. better. I found them at a truck lighting store in Phoenix.



They are identical to the second gen's. & made by Peterson Mfg. Co. , part #V120KA. The kit includes 5 lights, wiring, & hardware and was about $25. 00.



They installed pretty easily & have worked well, for years, now.



Just thought I'd let you know of another option.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[mysteryman]

Peterson

Yes Peterson has been a big player in the lighting aftermarket for years... . They were one of the first people I checked with to see if they covered it... Another big player was Guide/Globe or what ever they call themselves today... They mostly did GM lights and steering wheels but did do some for the rest as well... ...

I don't know if you guys are interested in this, or not, but quite a number of years ago, I wanted clearance lights for my 91. 5 W-250 & the factory ones were a little expensive & I liked the ones on the second gen's. better. I found them at a truck lighting store in Phoenix.



They are identical to the second gen's. & made by Peterson Mfg. Co. , part #V120KA. The kit includes 5 lights, wiring, & hardware and was about $25. 00.



They installed pretty easily & have worked well, for years, now.



Just thought I'd let you know of another option.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Paychk]

I am figuring that I should be able to get them for about 4 bucks each or less

If they aren't to outrageous I would be interested in at least one set, we are talking about the chrome lights right?

 

[mysteryman]

chromium over ABS plastic

we are talking about chrome lights . But I am a bit concerned about chromium over plastic for the long haul. . It will NEVER hold up outside much past 10 years. . Especially in the south western states... . ABS plastic literally evaporates with time... It also shrinks while doing so... . Just look at the plastic strip above your windshield that holds up the head liner..... Almost every one of them is broken in several pieces... . The reason is as the solvent in the plastic evaporates

the strip shrinks or lets say it gets shorter lenth wise... . The screws that hold it up do not move ... . hence the strip splits as it shrinks ... . Lets say I took a 12 years old strip and measured the centerlines of the screw holes. Then did the same on a strip that was made last week... The center lines of the screw holes would be closer together on the old strip... .



Chromium is metal... it will not shrink. but is is brittle and will break... ABS will shrink and becomes more brittle as it ages..... As the plastic shrinks the chromium looses its bond and or cracks from the stress of being moved... ...

Just look at all the 91 92 and 93 grills that were chrome... . Most all of them that are 10 years or older that have been kept outside have the chrome peeling off of them now.....



Why chromium over plastic... ... . There are two reasons, 1) It looks good.

2) it seals the plastic and slows down the evaporation/shrinkage problem considerably!!! Some of you may have (or had) a 91/2/3 truck with a factory painted grill... Early on the painted grills were discontinued and all that was available was the chrome..... The reason was because the painted grills were cracking up in the SW states while still under warrantee..... The discission was made to Chrome them all to slow down the process and reduce claims as well as complaints !..... But the original plan was to paint them all to keep costs down... . The chrome was just to fix the problem after the fact... .



In conclusion: The plastic parts are going to be a big problem in the years to come for these trucks..... There are not enough of these trucks out there for anyone to want to reproduce the parts..... I could do a lot of the parts in question. . But if the part is not some thing I want for myself I doubt that I will want to be bothered or invest the money in doing it... . Consumers in general are cheap and have no clue what it takes or costs to manufacture a part!!

I also have very short patients for clueless people in general... .



The projects that I do for myself for these trucks cost me a lot of $ and time to do... ... Any of my FRIENDS are welcome to get on board when I am doing them... . In the future I think it would be best to send me an email ,pm or call me on the phone to express your interest or discuss the details... ... .



I say this because there are a select few on this board that whine and gripe about anyone that might be offering anything for sale or what ever in this section... ... Those of you that have. I have kept on my list of "people not to help" for future reference.....



Stay tuned for the conclusion to great light soga..... More on monday... ...

If they aren't to outrageous I would be interested in at least one set, we are talking about the chrome lights right?

 

[mysteryman]

update...cab light soga continues

I spoke to the boys at Hella us again today. They claim that they had not heard back from mexico yet... . So being the impatient kind that I am I looked up the phone # for the mx plant and gave them a call to see what the hold up was. . My spanish is not very good but I was able to get my point across. . The woman that I spoke to was very eagar to to help. She told me that the national sales manager was out of town at a trade show but would contact him and give him the info... . With in an hour I got an email from him. I then replied. . I posted the text below from the emails ..... I know we will get results now... Stay tuned for more on this... .







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From: alfredo@XXXXXXXX [mailto:alfredoXXXXXXX

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:58 PM

To: mysteryman@XXXXXXXXX

Cc: Corinna. xxxxxxx@XXXXXXXXX

Subject: cab light





Dear Terry,



I´m checking with our plant about this item, I want to be sure production

still running or if we keep the tools, sometimes Chrysler ask for them.

First of all, let´s see what answer could have our plant.

hope to give you something else in short, Corinna told me about this

situation, I´m going to be traveling hole week, anyway I´m requesting our

plant to call me.



worst situation will be another mail next week.

kind regards and have a great day





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Dear Alfredo,



Thank you for your prompt attention on this matter... The light in question would be an aftermarket item. Chrysler used their own log/trademark on the lenses. The one in the photo has your logo and the SAE #... I assume that it has to be your die and not Chryslers... . Chrysler's also were never chrome. They were grey plastic finish as they would have come out of the mold... The light was used from 1976 to 1993 on all Dodge trucks 10,000 lb. GVW and up. I am sure that others used it but I do not know who they would have been.

Let me know what you find out about the light in question... The people in the USA location can not seem to be able to figure it out... I am still researching as to what the Hella part # is. . If I find it I will let you know. If you need me to resend the photo's to you directly let me know and I will.



Thank you and Miss Corinna for your prompt attention on this matter. I look forward to working with you in the future.

Sincerely... ///Terry E.





Terry Elders

Tri State Engineering inc.

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we are talking about chrome lights . But I am a bit concerned about chromium over plastic for the long haul. . It will NEVER hold up outside much past 10 years. . Especially in the south western states... . ABS plastic literally evaporates with time... It also shrinks while doing so... . Just look at the plastic strip above your windshield that holds up the head liner..... Almost every one of them is broken in several pieces... . The reason is as the solvent in the plastic evaporates

the strip shrinks or lets say it gets shorter lenth wise... . The screws that hold it up do not move ... . hence the strip splits as it shrinks ... . Lets say I took a 12 years old strip and measured the centerlines of the screw holes. Then did the same on a strip that was made last week... The center lines of the screw holes would be closer together on the old strip... .



Chromium is metal... it will not shrink. but is is brittle and will break... ABS will shrink and becomes more brittle as it ages..... As the plastic shrinks the chromium looses its bond and or cracks from the stress of being moved... ...

Just look at all the 91 92 and 93 grills that were chrome... . Most all of them that are 10 years or older that have been kept outside have the chrome peeling off of them now.....



Why chromium over plastic... ... . There are two reasons, 1) It looks good.

2) it seals the plastic and slows down the evaporation/shrinkage problem considerably!!! Some of you may have (or had) a 91/2/3 truck with a factory painted grill... Early on the painted grills were discontinued and all that was available was the chrome..... The reason was because the painted grills were cracking up in the SW states while still under warrantee..... The discission was made to Chrome them all to slow down the process and reduce claims as well as complaints !..... But the original plan was to paint them all to keep costs down... . The chrome was just to fix the problem after the fact... .



In conclusion: The plastic parts are going to be a big problem in the years to come for these trucks..... There are not enough of these trucks out there for anyone to want to reproduce the parts..... I could do a lot of the parts in question. . But if the part is not some thing I want for myself I doubt that I will want to be bothered or invest the money in doing it... . Consumers in general are cheap and have no clue what it takes or costs to manufacture a part!!

I also have very short patients for clueless people in general... .



The projects that I do for myself for these trucks cost me a lot of $ and time to do... ... Any of my FRIENDS are welcome to get on board when I am doing them... . In the future I think it would be best to send me an email ,pm or call me on the phone to express your interest or discuss the details... ... .



I say this because there are a select few on this board that whine and gripe about anyone that might be offering anything for sale or what ever in this section... ... Those of you that have. I have kept on my list of "people not to help" for future reference.....



Stay tuned for the conclusion to great light soga..... More on monday... ...

 

[Braveair78]

Darn boy... . you are impatient... and good for the rest of us... . that is some good research and some good work... . I will keep you posted as soon as I get my shipment I will post the info... and pass on anything that I have...

 

[mysteryman]

LOL..... some times you really have to be a ball buster to get things done... LOL

Our needs here are not that urgent really... But when you have a line going and the suppliers are stalling getting parts made and shipped you end up having a whole lot of men standing around getting paid and not working... ... Stoping or shutting down a production line is a mortal sin in Detroit !!!!

Not getting parts to a big fleet is runner up to that... ... And causing a recall would nearly get you the death penalty. LOL...



Hella knows the game... ... They also know I do as well... .

Hella is not doing much OE work in the US anymore... They are slacking



The car company's always split up parts orders between 2 to 3 suppliers just in case one goes down or does not make the dead lines... . If one goes down or did not make the dead line we would just call the next to step up production... .



I would really like to remake all of the hard to get parts for these trucks... . But there is just not enough people who care enough to spend the money for a part until the day they need it... ... If everyone pooled together we could do a lot of the parts again. I know exactly what parts are going to fail and when it will happen... ... I figure right about the time they are lowering me in my grave there will be a lot of people begging for the parts to put these trucks back together... it will be too late then... Most all of the guys that I worked with are retired now... Over half of them are dead..... The ones left do NOT want to even think about trucks or cars anymore at all!!!!

It really is the end of a era... . It makes me sad at times... The first gen trucks were really the last of the old Chrysler corp. as I knew it... .

The shelves are being wiped clean of their parts now. Most of the tooling is being scraped if it has not been already... ...



stay tuned for the conclusion on the great light soga... ...

Darn boy... . you are impatient... and good for the rest of us... . that is some good research and some good work... . I will keep you posted as soon as I get my shipment I will post the info... and pass on anything that I have...

 

[1 locomotive]

any body got any new news ??? I need some lights ! the guy on ebay raised the price !!!