Over-full on dipstick, oil analysis just came back bad, fuel in oil.

[Coalsmoke]

Never really checked 5. 9's because with no aftertreatment there was no reason to suspect any fuel was getting past the rings. I still don't understand all the emotion about the oil level rising. If there is less than 5% fuel dilution it is not a problem. And at 5% of 12 quarts, it's about 1/2 quart over the oil change life. So my opinion still is, change the oil per the oil change light, and don't worry about the level. I have yet to see a 5. 9 or 6. 7 that uses any oil between changes, so barring a major leak, the oil level is going to be OK.

Well I'm not sure when you say "all the emotion about the rising oil level" if you are speaking to me, but since I started the thread I am suspecting it is. I don't care about a little bit of fuel slipping by, I agree that a couple percent shouldn't have much noticeable effect on the engine, not sure if I agree with Cummins 5%, but I suppose they should know. However, at the end of the day, there is still 3 litres of something ending up in my oil and it is reducing my viscosity to SAE 30wt. That is something to care about. Would you run 30wt in your new truck? I wouldn't. I am waiting on news from Finning's oil labs to hear if they have a way of measuring soot content, if so that is the next step for me as I suspect it may be soot that is raising the oil level and diluting the viscosity of the oil. If it is soot, I can filter it out. If it's something else then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

 

[PRout]

Sounds more like fuel, or coolant? Sorry, havent read the entire thread but Ive been under the impression that excessive soot in the oil gives a similar effect to "increasing" viscosity, not lowering it.

I could be wrong here as Im surely not an expert, but from what ive read here, I agree that we sure dont want to be using contaminated oil in our expensive engines.

 

[lpagano]

Sounds more like fuel, or coolant? Sorry, havent read the entire thread but Ive been under the impression that excessive soot in the oil gives a similar effect to "increasing" viscosity, not lowering it.



I could be wrong here as Im surely not an expert, but from what ive read here, I agree that we sure dont want to be using contaminated oil in our expensive engines.

The extra 2 or 3 quarts in the crankcase can really muck up the crankcase ventilation system, which by the way is the entire air induction system from the turbo compressor inlet to the intake valve on each cylinder and everything between. The elevated oil level will cause more oil vapor/mist to enter the intake system, coat the insides with dirty oil until it gets to the EGR valve, which puts even more contaminates into the intake charge before it enters the combustion chamber and gets burned. Funny, I never thought a modern internal combustion could be considered a garbage incinerator.

 

[BTighe]

well that explains the lower milage. its in the oil pan. i wonder what the dealer will say.

 

[Coalsmoke]

I just received this info form the oil labs:

The Finning SOS Lab is unable to determine how much soot by volume is contained in a sample of oil. Excessive soot in some cases affects an oil's viscosity (making it thicker), but I've never heard of a diesel engine “making oil” courtesy of excessive soot.



It appears the 3% fuel dilution is responsible for the 25% volume increase ... that is not unusual.

I don't fully understand how 3% of fuel can in effect increase the volume in the oil pan by 25%. If anyone understands how this works please feel free to educate me.

 

[viper700]

When I had a lot of fuel in my crankcase it over flowed onto the ground because of a bad injector. Not the tip of the injector but I was told it came from the top area of the injector past some O rings into the valve cover area and down into the crankcase. That was my problem anyway.

 

[ackermanN]

Sag2, Thank you for the info. I understand it, amazingly enough.

I was concerned my posts were too terse. glad you responded.

 

[hwebster]

My 2 Cents...



The fuel in the oil must be from the regen process. Just did a 4400 mile trip and have noticed a lot of regens and more oil in the crank. Just going out to drain some!



Of course I have no warranty from Chrysler since I bought my truck in the US. So as far as I am concerned the DPF delete is my next step. . H

 

[Coalsmoke]

Harrison, I'm thinking the same thing. My truck is often trying to regen even though there is no need for it to do so. Dodge seems to not have a clue, go figure. I bought the 08 because it came with a warranty, oh well, lessons learned.

 

[hwebster]

Yep, suits that have forgotten the golden rule of business... take care of the customer!



As soon as BADP is back up the delete kit is coming!!



H

 

[hwebster]

More to the point Cummins is helpless to. Dodge has the engine wrapped up so tight that Cummins doesn't fix em!

 

[Garry Verheyden]

My dealer had mine for three days last week and came back saying it was just a normal situation for the oil to increase at least 1/2 inch above the plastic part on the dipstick. They told me about how this engine is "different" and I should just not worry about it. They told me they had looked at other 6. 7's in the shop and they all had high oil levels versus the dipstick.



Why is there a dipstick with a recommended oil level if it is the wrong level? Why does the level increase over time if it is "normal?"

Typical incompitent dealer that doesn't know what they're talking about!! The engine is different!! Wow theres a solution. I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but I had an extra 3 litres once!!

I deleted the egr and dpf 10,000 miles ago. No more increasing oil or 2262 codes. The regen sprays raw fuel down the exhaust to burn out the soot that clogs the dpf. During this time, some fuel gets by the rings into the crank case, diluting the oil. Get rid of the dpf and problem solved!

Garry

 

[Freebore]

I just completed oil analysis with 5000 miles on the oil and it came back with 4. 5% fuel dilution - I used Blackstone labs. The oil viscosity was near the min point. I don't wait for the light to tell me to change oil either and was glad I didn't.

 

[Xgunfighter]

Just got my report back from Blackstone. 5% fuel in 5200 miles. Still wish I still had my 01.

 

[sag2]

Just got my report back from Blackstone. 5% fuel in 5200 miles. Still wish I still had my 01.

Has the oil change light come on?

 

[hwebster]

Fuel in Oil...Enough

Well BADP is finally back up... The area of Houston they are located in got hit hard by Ike. Glad to see every one is all right!



I've had enough. The 6. 7 MIGHT be designed to run like that BUT I can't trust a process that dilutes my oil. I was pulling 6-7,000 pounds plus trailer for 2,200 miles at highway speeds. By all rights the regen process should never have kicked in given the temps I was seeing.



Still had a load of fuel in the oil and that was the last straw. I expect the kit in a week or so.



Will update once it is in!:-laf

 

[Coalsmoke]

Just an update, took it to Dodge they messed with it and then told me they couldn't find anything wrong but agreed there was a problem. They thought maybe an injector was leaking. No lie, 2 minutes later in the conversation the service manager tells me that it is perfectly acceptable to have this much fuel in my oil with the 6. 7. Anyways, I'm changing the oil, will run for another 12K kms a when it shows fuel in the oil hopefully Peak Diesel will have in a kit from BADP, or I'll order directly if need be.

 

[sag2]

Well BADP is finally back up... The area of Houston they are located in got hit hard by Ike. Glad to see every one is all right!



I've had enough. The 6. 7 MIGHT be designed to run like that BUT I can't trust a process that dilutes my oil. I was pulling 6-7,000 pounds plus trailer for 2,200 miles at highway speeds. By all rights the regen process should never have kicked in given the temps I was seeing.



Still had a load of fuel in the oil and that was the last straw. I expect the kit in a week or so.



Will update once it is in!:-laf

How much is a "load" of fuel. Did you have it sampled so you know for sure?

 

[hwebster]

Load of Fuel

No testing. Last two oil changes I kept the level dead centre of the dipstick. Oil kept creeping up over a few thousand miles. My insight notifies me of regen cycles (the fuel comsumption rate is a dead give away too).

So I'm guessing at least a liter or more over that time frame.



I can't see the oil level being affected by "captive" oil in the engine or a load of soot...

 

[Freebore]

I never received a warning to change my oil at 5000 miles. I chose to change rather than wait and was quite surprised to see the 4. 5% dilution. Regardless what is deemed "OK", that much fuel in the crankcase is too much for my comfort level, probably because I work as an engineer in the industry and just cringe when I see this.



I'm running 100% stock, no programmers, no deletes, etc. , but expect something to be done to improve this situation. I know there are other owners running stock that don't have this problem.



Dealer is currently chasing down a new turbo / egr system (P2262 codes continue), but wondering if previous problems leading to my DPF/Nox plugging/failure such as software rev levels contributed to this?