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JGheen

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Well, I got the truck dynoed this morning and the results were the only thing that really made me happy about the whole experience.

Just to get it out of the way first, I made 308/748 on my third run after a quick plate adjustment. The first two runs were with the plate about 3/4 forward and it made 294/696.

Now, the thing that I didn't like was that fact that I didn't get to drive my own truck on the dynoand a few other things I'm about to explain. I am a dyno tech myself right now and the way he drove my truck ****** me off and I was unimpressed on the way he achieved results. The dyno was a Superflow in the ground roller, not sure what kind(water brake, AC,??). The way he tested my truck, being a manual, he slowly accelerated to about 30-40mph and into 4th gear and then just punched it to like 3200 rpm! It was cool and that rpm didn't bother me much at the moment. Then after another baseline I made my plate adjustment and the third run he did the same thing 4th gear and punching it, he took it to like 3600-3700!! :eek: I told him what the hell was he doing and he said he didn't know, he had never done diesel trucks like mine before!?!?!? This really ****** me off and for a guy like this to own a good size racing shop and be this disrepecting to a customers engine was even more upsetting. I voiced my concern and he didn't seem to care any, but I did, as I have never reached that rpm before for the basic reason of no power in that range and it hurts the engine. I just hope its ok after that stupidity... :confused: :{ Any dyno operator for a shop should be at least courtious enought to ask a little bit about the engine and how the owner would like it properly run to prevent any mishaps or lawsuits form engine failures. The stock tach says it redlines @ 3000, so I ya don't know then don't push it, it will make power below those revs. Obvioulsy, this guy didn't know jack about diesels or how to dyno them properly.

So, anyway, the numbers were just about right where I thought they would be, about 15 HP down and torque was 30 ft/lbs higher than expected. But who knows if they were accurate from the crazy drivin'. :rolleyes:



Just a quick note about the way the other trucks were getting dynoed, the auto transmission trucks seemed to make lower power than stock almost. Not sure what the guys was doing but he would do a similar pull as if it had a manual. I have no experience with chassis dynos but the way he was doing it was probably why the results were wacked.



For example, a huge 6" lifted Chevy Durmax dually showed up with the Banks 6 gun and I was interested to really see how it performed since it is competition and that it was a pretty nice truck, but of course I am CTD biased. It only made like 290/600?!?!? The owner said he always leaves it on level 6 and I thought it should have made way more power than that, what gives?

After that a 12v Dodge showed up, that had a little more goodies than mine, so I was stoked to see what my future holds for mine. The Dodge had a bigger turbo and 370s and only made something like 303/650? That was the eye opener than really made me know this dyno operator was doing something wrong. A lot of the guys there agreed with me on this too. Something about the auto trucks wasn't working with the dyno. The Dodge should have at least been close to 400/850+ with all it's goodies. I felt bad cuz we're paying good money for this($50 for first pull, $10 each after) and if your getting funky data from obvious big power mods then something is wrong. It happened with about 4 trucks there, more were coming in the afternoon but I had to ski-daddle.

So, that was my first dyno experience and next time I am going to STC or some where people know what they are doing with diesels. Sorry for the long, rambling story, but I had to share my experience.



Joe
 
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Cooker said:
FWIW - I wouldn't worry about the revs he got it up to.



Sounds like the guy was an idiot :rolleyes:

I'm glad you agree, you would have felt the same way if you were there to witness the stupidity.

Well, I thought the revs were pretty dangerously close to valve float rpms but maybe 3600 is just on the edge. Thanks for the input on not to worry about the condition of the engine from the dumb a$$ dyno culprit. :D Oo.
 
That 97 was me. I got only 299/604. I also gave instuction to only run to 3k. 1 run was 3 the other run was 3400. I didn't care about the revs but I know my power start to fall off at 2800. But I am total blown away that I got 299. He didn't get any spool before the start. So I beleive that I didn't yet have boost where I would have had the most power. My peek power was at 2841 rpm. Driving I can feel power falling off before 2800.



So I guess I need to sell my parts and get a gasser. :(
 
I wouldnt worry about the revs. I guess im the minority,but if you raised the governed RPM and didnt tell him to lift at 3000rpm then I feel its your fault if damage was done. All diesels are governed to a safe RPM,you tampered with yours,and never warned the operator that you did so. I highly doubt any damage was done to your cummins,ive seen over 4500 rpm with stock valve springs,he bent a few pushrods,thats it. Im more troubled by dyno operators that lift abruptly under full power,"barking the turbo. When i roll my own truck i let it govern out by itself fully then lift the throttle,this eliminates any chance of barking the turbos,and its consistent from run to run. I hit 3550RPM ever time on the dyno and on the road quite often,I dont think tis going to hurt it any.
 
5th gear will make more HP than 4th, a bunch of us have tried it both ways. Turbo doesnt get a chance to spool good in 4th.
 
JGheen,



Go find another shop with a dyno - my preference is a Dynojet. Hopefully they'll know what they are doing. Write this one off as a lesson learned.



-Jay
 
i wont let anyone drive mine anymore unless i really trust them on the dyno (aka people/operators who have been around diesels). a certain shop in colorado has a mustang dyno, which was way off in #'s, and more importantly, the guy who owns?/drives the thing on the dyno didn't know what he was doing. it was just nice that every V8 diesel he drove was downshifting on the dyno :rolleyes:
 
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Jim, stop it! your making me envious,I need a P7100



Sick thing is it's almost been there in O/D on the road, when Piers said it wouldn't quit he wasn't kidding... ... it worked out to 145 MPH and took no time to get there... ... spooky shut down.



Jim
 
yeah alot of guys left that place hanging their heads, so i had to tell them take it someplace else and dont feel to bad, this is not supposed to happen at dyno events, your supposed to leave happy. so people shop around and dont ever take it to r&e racing. JAKE.
 
3600-3700rpm ain't gonna hurt it once or twice... mine's been there a bunch of times on the stock valve springs... wouldn't recomend it, but I wouldn't worry about your truck/engine.



Forrest
 
Thanks for the replys, guys. I definately learned my lesson and not taking to R&E ever again. I need to take a special trip down to STC to have them dyno it since they are a diesel performance shop.
 
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