P.T. Barnum was right ... theres one born every minute...

[FATCAT]

I truly believe that this guy "Higgins" over on the Ford site has got to be the biggest consumer dope I have ever seen.



The guy has apparently had major problems with his new 6. 0, but still touts it as the greatest thing since the wheel.



He constantly sees "trolls" everywhere and in one of his posts the guy is completely delusional with this statement:



"... but I truly believe that this engine is the "Wright Brothers" of Diesel Engines and when it is all over and done, I will put my great grand child on my knee and tell him a story that goes like this..... A long time ago, when they had not figured out American Diesels I bought one "



The perfect Ford customer ... to quote Bugs Bunny "... what a Maroon ... ".

 

[Mtngoat]

Yeah but they all love him... .

 

[FATCAT]

I know, looking at the posts that follow his original ... it looks like a major circle-jerk over there.

 

[illflem]

Living in a fantasy world

Concerning the 6. 0's problems,

"They (Ford) either don't know, or if they do know, they can't tell you. In the case they don't know, it would more than likely be due to the fact that they're still researching the problems and haven't found a fix yet. "

 

[Deezul1]

Is it true they have a 500,000 mile warranty on those things?

 

[bmoeller]

Originally posted by Deezul1

Is it true they have a 500,000 mile warranty on those things?

If they do, so far it doesn't appear that it will get that far.



Quote-"... but I truly believe that this engine is the "Wright Brothers" of Diesel Engines... -Quote



They didn't get very far either.

 

[bighammer]

There is some blind loyalty for you.



On the flip side, I'm sure there are some of us that are a bit like that. Our trucks are not all perfect specimens of modern manufacturing, but it sounds like our problems are less severe and more easily cured.



While I'm not all together familiar with the new Cummins, one look under the hood of a Ford is scary. Compared to ours, it apears to be PACKED in there with little thought to maintenance or component replacement. I wouldn't want to have to work on one.



I do wish the best for Ford and their customers. I hope they can get the problems resolved. Competition is a good thing, and I'd hate to see Ford fade into history.

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bighammer

There is some blind loyalty for you.



On the flip side, I'm sure there are some of us that are a bit like that. Our trucks are not all perfect specimens of modern manufacturing, but it sounds like our problems are less severe and more easily cured.

AMEN!!



I was explaining to a friend that was in the market for a diesel, and told him of the things to be aware of on the CTD's. When I was done he almost looked disgusted about the problems. I told him, "Yeah, they have problems, all the diesels on the market have problems. But they (CTD's) are sooooo easy to watch and fix, or prevent, because they are so minor. "



I would prefer the hassle of watching the fuel pressure on a CTD, or replacing the front steering componets for under $200, than the cold sweats of panic every time I go to check the oil level and it looks a little higher than the last time on a PSD.



BTW - He went out and bought a 97 2500 CTD

 

[bighammer]

I'm sure the Ford and Chevy fans have read posts about somebody's lift pump going and taking out their injection pump. (I'm glad I skipped from 12 valve to 3rd gen ) If you monitor the fuel pressure and respond to any deviation from normal, it's a preventable scenario.



Also the relay or shutoff solenod can go and give you a no-start situation on a 12 valve. A piece of wire can get you rolling again though.



Crankcase filling with diesel because of a small O ring? NO THANKS

 

[Ncostello]

Even in the event a VP goes out... at least a decent mechanic can replace it in about 1-2 hours and you'll be on the road again for a long long time. I know its not cheap and fun, but at least you dont have to pull the dang motor on a brand new truck 3 times to change it. Gotta love the inline 6 simplicity and accessibility to components. Anything more serious is a rare event that really cannot be avoided on any vehicle motor.



The Cummins B's are as reliable and strong as it gets... period. I'm not a big fan of motors where everyone keeps saying "I wouldn't buy the first year of anything till the bugs are worked out" Good upfront engineering and testing makes stuff reliable when it goes to market. What Powerstrokes are seeing are serious oversights in design and performance. Perhaps I am wrong but the new Powerstroke may well never be a good engine... ever. There have been engines in the past that were never any good. History does repeat itself every so often. I sure hope they can remedy the problem. Ford sure has messed up a very important segment of their heavy duty pickup trucks. Folks who depend on HD trucks to get the job done dont like messin with junk too much.



Anyone know how the International versions are doing in International trucks?

 

[lmills]

Originally posted by Ncostello



Anyone know how the International versions are doing in International trucks?

Yeah, the funny thing is the IH versions in the larger trcuks seem to be holding up OK!

 

[R.E. Miller]

Personally, and even though I would not buy one, I still think that the 7. 3L PSD is a good engine, in the international trucks, they last and have good power. The HEUI injectors are something I wish the ISB had. The real flaw is just letting ford do anything. I wish that the Dodge brothers didn't "disappear" like they did, because if they had been around much longer they would have continued buying up ford like they already were... . of course... . then they would be German now oh well The point is that before I started working on diesels, I though that Ford trucks were respectable, and since I am a "joe dirt" mopar guy I would not buy one, but not slight anyone for buying one either. After having to deal with the ford engineering abortions, and I mean abortions, day in and day out, I have seen the like, junk designs that sell just because the general public no longer repairs their own vehicles or can repair them. Ford cloaks their built to be thrown away vehicles in that really pretty and quite decent fit and finish, that sells. Don't forget, the big fords and sterlings are just bigger pieces of junk with more wheels underneath them.

Flame me, I don't care, come to work with me once, and you'll see built ford tough.



Russell

 

[HillCountrykid]

So they're pretty much all agreed, "MY new 6. 0 is the best thing to ever grace this planet, even though it's at the dealer half the time. " I don't think I'd be bragging that my new truck has been running good 2500 out of 4500 miles.



I don't wish any bad luck on any of these guys who forked over a good wad of cash for their truck, but be realistic, if it's having alot of problems, then it's not the best out there. And to call the Cummins old and outdated, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".



Brian

 

[Ncostello]

To quote one 6. 0L owner who is mistaken a little...



"... I officially got to 3000 miles today and after checking my oil I am only down near as can tell a little less than 2 quarts. I figured that is probably normal (I hope). Any tips on what I should put back in there? I was thinking of putting delo 15-40. Other than that, and the two times it died on me after coming to a stop, afterdriving on the freeway, everything else has been excellent. "



This poor gentleman has fell under the impression that 2 quart consumption in 3000 miles is acceptable in a 6. 0L. (Really not normal in anything except a 30 year old Detroit perhaps). That and the engine dying is normal. But, the average owner would be forced to believe that because all you read about there is problems. Based on the reading, I'd tell this gent that his 6. 0 is fine and everything is normal. Enjoy your new truck!!

 

[bighammer]

Originally posted by Ncostello

To quote one 6. 0L owner who is mistaken a little...



"... I officially got to 3000 miles today and after checking my oil I am only down near as can tell a little less than 2 quarts. I figured that is probably normal (I hope). Any tips on what I should put back in there? I was thinking of putting delo 15-40. Other than that, and the two times it died on me after coming to a stop, afterdriving on the freeway, everything else has been excellent. "



This poor gentleman has fell under the impression that 2 quart consumption in 3000 miles is acceptable in a 6. 0L. (Really not normal in anything except a 30 year old Detroit perhaps). That and the engine dying is normal. But, the average owner would be forced to believe that because all you read about there is problems. Based on the reading, I'd tell this gent that his 6. 0 is fine and everything is normal. Enjoy your new truck!!

I think he's just relieved it's not going UP!

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Ncostello

To quote one 6. 0L owner who is mistaken a little...



"... I officially got to 3000 miles today and after checking my oil I am only down near as can tell a little less than 2 quarts. I figured that is probably normal (I hope). Any tips on what I should put back in there? I was thinking of putting delo 15-40. Other than that, and the two times it died on me after coming to a stop, afterdriving on the freeway, everything else has been excellent. "



This poor gentleman has fell under the impression that 2 quart consumption in 3000 miles is acceptable in a 6. 0L. (Really not normal in anything except a 30 year old Detroit perhaps). That and the engine dying is normal. But, the average owner would be forced to believe that because all you read about there is problems. Based on the reading, I'd tell this gent that his 6. 0 is fine and everything is normal. Enjoy your new truck!!

Fords and Harleys, this is normal

 

[Billy Diesel]

"... I officially got to 3000 miles today and after checking my oil I am only down near as can tell a little less than 2 quarts. I figured that is probably normal (I hope). Any tips on what I should put back in there? I was thinking of putting delo 15-40. Other than that, and the two times it died on me after coming to a stop, afterdriving on the freeway, everything else has been excellent. "

This guy is probably just too used to Micrsoft. His truck died, so he closed all Windows, restarted it, and continued going like this is a "normal" occurrence... ... ...

 

[Joe G.]

Originally posted by wrhuston

This guy is probably just too used to Micrsoft. His truck died, so he closed all Windows, restarted it, and continued going like this is a "normal" occurrence... ... ...

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