pac or bd

[tufcater]

man am i struggling... . the more i read the more i can't deceide on a bd or pac brake. can i get some help??? is there a site that does a compairison? any comments would be appricated. thanks tuf cater

 

[Barry]

BD has a propaganda sheet that compares all the E brakes. BD shows (in their sheet) to be heads and shoulders above the rest. I installed the BD brake and have been most pleased with the unit. The peace of mind to fall of a pass in Colo. with a 12,000# 5th wheel behind and not touch the brakes is certainly worth the price of admission. On Dancer, on Blitzen... ... ... ... ...

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2001 2500 QC, ETH/DEE,4:10s, LSD, VA Magic Box, Boost/Pyro Guages, 4" Turbo back, BD Brake,Mag- Hytec Cover, Kleen Wheels, Energy Release, 70 gal. fuel, 20K Reese. 22,000 miles on 12/19/00 (RV Dealer)

 

[tufcater]

barry
how can i get ahold of prop sheet?

 

[Barry]

1 800 887 5030

 

[Runaway]

I believe you can download it off their web site also.

 

[Jeff Harrod]

I had the same problem deciding on BD or pacbrake. What sold me was a friend of mine HAD a pacbrake and it malfunctioned one day leaving him stranded. When a pac fails in the on position it stays on and you cannot rev up the truck. Had to have it towed. BD has vacume that opens the brake if there is a malfunction. BD won't leave you stranded. just my opinion

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1997 3500,4x4,slt,club cab,4. 10 limited slip,5 spd,BD exhaust brake & 60 lb sprinds,no cat,no muffler,110 gal. fuel tank, work truck-hauls a D5 dozer,310backhoe,and everything on the farm

 

[BFaoro]

I thought that the Pac Brake along with the Jacobs E-Brake also used vacuume ? #ad
I am pretty sure that all three use vacuum, if you go to both Pac Brake and the Jacob Brakes web site it will show you that they are vacuum actuated. #ad


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96 2500 4X4, SC,SLT, 12 valve,lost kitty 5SP 3. 54. line-x liner All stock (for now)

[This message has been edited by ROCKYMNT (edited 12-21-2000). ]

 

[K_Arts]

tufcater, I was in the same situation as you and I have been doing a lot of research on both the Pac Brake and the BD E-brake. To give you my honest opinion... I hear good things about both of them. I don't think that you could go wrong with either one.

Myself I ended up choosing the PacBrake. Not for any particular reason except for that is what Bill Kondolay sells, and he is going to install it for me. But again... I believe that they are both great products.

Kev

 

[Dak - BD Power]

Check out the thread https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb//Forum20/HTML/000027.html or search 'exhaust brake' for more info than you can shake a stick at... #ad


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Real BOMBers never get speeding tickets. . just a lot of warnings!

 

[Alaskdave]

Jeff, I think your friend needs to look at his Pacbrake installation and maybe ask some questions. My Pacbrake is spring loaded to the open position. IE. anytime vacuum is off the valve opens. All your friend had to do was pinch the line closed or simply disconnect the vacuum source and his problem would be solved. What was the actual problem? Did the microswitch malfunction? Was he mechanically inclined enough to want to know?

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96 2500 4x4 5sp 3. 5 gears TST#6 16 cm2 K&N Geno's Combo Gage Pac Brake Aux tank 15K 5er hitch
HF/VHF/UHF mobile KG7HD

 

[Phil Stuart]

ROCKYMNT,
The difference between the Pacbrake and the BD brake is the BD unit has vacuum supply to it when in the brake mode and also when it is off. A design in the switching of the solenoid and the actuator piston. The Pacbrake unit only has vacuum to it when in the braking mode and has a spring type of assist to open butterfly when off and vacuum is released via the small filter/orifice on the solenoid valve. I went with the Pacbrake unit and am happy with it so far. I believe the retarding horsepower is the same on both, @ 190RHP. I also did copious amounts of research on these units before making my purchase. Everyone has their own opinions on brand quality.

Phil

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`01 2500,4x4,QC,LB,ETC,DDX,DHG
3. 55 LSD,Tow Pkg. ,Snow plow pkg. ,Forest Green PC,Mopar alum. side steps,Mopar mud flaps with Cummins logo,Mist grey seat covers,Tekonsha brake controller,Hadley air horns,Pacbrake.
Built in St. Louis
THE BIG GREEN MACHINE

Phil Stuart

 

[Wiredawg]

I looked at BD, Jacobs, Pac Brake and a couple of others, read info on this website and ended up choosing BD. I have to say the others are also probably good too.

I towed a 15K lb loaded out 5th wheel thru mountains in Tennesee and Virginia and I'm very pleased with the results. My truck is also a daily driver and I use my BD every day. Gud stuff, guys! #ad


Wiredawg

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2000 4X4 SLT QC 8' bed; 6 spd, 3. 54 ; BD exhaust brake and 4" exhaust syst; TST PM2; Airlift Super Duty rear air bags; RS 9000 shocks; pyro/boost gauges in 2 gauge a-pillar mount; back preasure gauge mounted under dash; KN air filter; Brown's Welding brush/grill guard, rear bumper & headache rack; nerf bars and aluminum roll top rear cover, Warn front receiver and Hadley air horns, 20K Reese hitch.

[This message has been edited by Wiredawg (edited 12-21-2000). ]

 

[Frank J. Lloyd]

Originally posted by K_Arts:
tufcater, I was in the same situation as you and I have been doing a lot of research on both the Pac Brake and the BD E-brake. To give you my honest opinion... I hear good things about both of them. I don't think that you could go wrong with either one.

Myself I ended up choosing the PacBrake. Not for any particular reason except for that is what Bill Kondolay sells, and he is going to install it for me. But again... I believe that they are both great products.

Kev

I've been trying to find a good price on the Pac, any suggestions, I think I can install it myself.

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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, ready to bomb
Big Red is ready to roll!

 

[Phil Stuart]

Frank,
I sent you an email with some info. Hope this helps you.

Phil

 

[K_Arts]

Originally posted by Frank J. Lloyd:
I've been trying to find a good price on the Pac, any suggestions, I think I can install it myself.

Try Bill K, see what he can do for you... he gave me a very decent price.

Kev

 

[TowPro]

Just to throw another log on the fire, I am also searching for an exhaust brake. My number one reason is to get the truck to heat up faster in the morning. The first 5 miles of my ride is down hill, and the truck takes forever to warm up. Plus the brake function it was designed for is a plus when I am towing my 12k camper.
I have been looking at the Pac and Cummins because of price. Here are some interesting findings.
These are advertised values by Jacobs and PAC

RPM Retard HP
Jacobs Pac BD
1800 64 50 130
2000 76 70 140
2200 89 80 150
2400 102 100 155
2600 115 120 160
2800 127 150 162
3000 138 160 170
3100 143 190 185

Now looking at these numbers you may say, "BD wins hands down" What I am not sure of is "is the BD going to be to powerful for every day driving? And it cost almost 30% more. (if the BD was in the same price range, I would probably buy the BD. Then the PAC looks like 2nd place, but I personally don't go over 2500 RPM under normal driving, and don't often see 2500 unless that’s where I shift. I say the Jacobs wins because it has a little more brake power at the RPM's I drive. I can get the Jacobs and PAC for almost the same money.

What I would like to see is what is the Brake HP of say the 360cid Dodge motor with a manual trans behind it for comparisons.

 

[Deezul1]

I have the BD and am very happy with it. My main reason for the BD was that with a 12 valve BD has the most retarding power without installing the 60# exhaust valve springs, which makes the BD a better deal when you dont have that added expense. And it works real good.

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96 SLT Laramie CC 5spd, 3. 54, no muff, no cat, 5"turn down tip
. Member NRA/USPSA

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

I'm also using a BD brake, one of my best friends has a PAC on his truck. During normal driving he doesn't use his PAC brake because at low rpm's it add's very little braking. I use my BD all the time. When we are caravaning somewhere with loads behind I always follow him because if I'm in the lead he has to use his brakes much more often because the BD stops so much better. The only time the BD is too aggressive is when the pavement is slick (snow or ice) - then you have to turn it off because the rear end will slide. He's considering selling his PAC brake and buying a BD after he saw how mine performed. What I have heard is that the PAC brake is better if you have an automatic simply because it's not as aggressive and easier on the transmission. JMHO

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-Steve St. Laurent - President of the Great Lakes TDR
'98 QC LB (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, TST Powermax, 275hp RV injectors, SW fuel pressure gauge, BD exhaust brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, front Draw-Tite receiver, rear Draw-Tite class V receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's, (all the common stuff clipped)

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[John]

I'm extremely happy with my BD exhaust brake! #ad
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In addition to having the most retarding HP, they boast the highest opening/closing pressures which assure you will not have a problem with a sicking valve (as others have). The BD brake is constructed of the best materials of any brake offered on the market today (and yes, I've seen them all). Whether the price difference is worth it... only you can answer that question.

Another question you need to answer prior to making a decision: Do you want to add an HX40 Super Turbo? If the answer is yes, you only have two choices for exhaust brakes, the BD remote mount or the US Gear Decelerator. None of the turbo mounted exhaust brakes will work with the HX40.

... decisions, decisions

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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake and TorqLoc, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s/DD Boost Module, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , BD V10/Cummins hybrid TC & mod. trans. frt. pump, BD VB & PressureLoc, Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

Recycle Bin: Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit (due to flow restriction), Bosch 275s & VA CPC (upgraded to DD3s... WOW! what a difference!), '00 Dodge/Cummins valve cover (going back to my OE '98. 5 valve cover... tricked out though), VDO Vision gauges (upgraded to $PA gauges. . three of 'em... where's that when you need it? LOL)

 

[Blkdawdg]

Do any of you guys know if BD makes a remote 4" exhaust brake? I know that US gear does but I want the power of the BD. Thanks

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2001 ETH SWB Sport, HX-40, 4" Exhaust, DD III's, RE-0880, ATS Manifold, Too MUCH Stereo