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is there a limit to rpms related to fuel ... .



in other words; if you could build motor strong enough to rev indefinitely is there a limit to the rpms the diesel will allow it to turn?
 
Well... we have a reasonably narrow window of opportunity to inject the fuel we plan to burn. It's the nature of the beast. We need to inject fuel as the piston is coming up to TDC on the compression stroke. How soon you start injecting that fuel as the piston comes up, and how late into the ignition stroke you continue to inject fuel affects power, longevity, emissions, noise, etc.



For the daily driver: Inject the fuel too early... and it's hard on the reciprocating assembly AND the injection pump. Inject it too late... and you're not doing much more than blowing smoke out the tailpipe.



BIG HP trucks are far from efficient. They inject lots of fuel very early and continue injecting it very late... the bottom line is that they're mostly interested in the massive quantities of fuel flowing through there. Back that up with the right amount of heat and oxygen... and you burn some of that fuel. There's a fine balance between a setup that's not too hard on parts... makes a boatload of power... and is still drivable on the street. Some folks on here have mastered that which is really encouraging to see.



The limit to how many RPM's a diesel will turn is dependant on how we inject the fuel (it's WAY different from a gasser). The mechanical limits of the parts that handle the injection process is the largest barrier. Getting an injection pump to turn 3000rpm (6000 engine RPM) isn't a big deal... but getting one with variable timing that will live at that RPM is a problem.



Common rail systems have a lot of hope yet. With seemingly limitless timing and the ability to control it very precisely... they'll live quite well at high RPMs. With a reliable high pressure pump able to flow more fuel at higher pressures... we'll be able to test the limits of the traditional injectors. Once we find out that we're at 90%+ of the duty cycle on the injector side... we'll have to figure out a way to get 'em to open/close faster... oh, and handle all that additional flow/pressure without buying the farm.



So, we're limited by the compression ignition boundaries set forth by our dieselheads of years gone by. ~6000rpm is doable now... how high do you need to go? :D



If we were dealing with gassers... we'd be injecting fuel even when the intake valve is closed... that gives you an example of the HUGE window of opportunity they have to get the fuel into the cylinder and burn it. We don't have that same luxury. (Those dieselheads that burn propane or methanol ARE taking advantage of the benefits of injecting fuel at a closed intake valve... it also comes at the risk of effectively advancing the timing a BOATLOAD - which is hard on parts. )



Personally, I enjoy the challenges diesels present and the differences that divide them from the crowd.



Matt
 
COMP461 said:
he will need to also strap a jet engine to it . i would bet my motor will make as much power , and rev potenical as this one ,there is nothing in that motor not in my motor, and maybe a few other tricks



YEP, we're all proud of ya there COMP. Hey everybody, look at him, he's magical... . how you ask?



well, he can find a way to turn every thread into one about himself... . Tadda!



wish i could magically make him go away... . POOF! damn it didnt work.
 
Todd T said:
YEP, we're all proud of ya there COMP. Hey everybody, look at him, he's magical... . how you ask?



well, he can find a way to turn every thread into one about himself... . Tadda!



wish i could magically make him go away... . POOF! damn it didnt work.





:-laf :-laf :-laf !!!
 
COMP461 said:
good ring seal, and a good vacuum pump will fix it right up .



POOF, POOF! damn, still didnt work!



I bet you can tell us all about how your vacuum pump and piston to ring, ring to cylinder fit is SOOO much better than anyone elses is.



well, come'on with it!
 
2broke2smoke said:
is there a limit to rpms related to fuel ... .



in other words; if you could build motor strong enough to rev indefinitely is there a limit to the rpms the diesel will allow it to turn?
Well, if one had 2 pumps and 2 injectors per cylinder, one could inject twice as much fuel per degree of crankshaft rotation for a given pump displacement and injector size... .



Rusty
 
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RustyJC said:
Well, if one had 2 pumps and 2 injectors per cylinder, one could inject twice as much fuel per degree of crankshaft rotation for a given pump displacement and injector size... .



Rusty





OOOOOOFFFF!! :eek: :D

Sorry you caught me off guard there- with that! :-laf
 
Todd T said:
POOF, POOF! damn, still didnt work!



I bet you can tell us all about how your vacuum pump and piston to ring, ring to cylinder fit is SOOO much better than anyone elses is.



well, come'on with it!

and you running how fast ?
 
RacinDuallie said:
comp461- :p

:rolleyes: AND YOUR VEHICLE RACE WEIGHT IS ? :-laf







you want to brag about being portly .





now there is somthing else that the WEASEL is king of





working hard at weight control is no different then any other performance inprovers , IE twins , water meth, nitrous



I'm even on a diet , untill I talk Ronda in to driving
 
COMP461 said:
he will need to also strap a jet engine to it . i would bet my motor will make as much power , and rev potenical as this one ,there is nothing in that motor not in my motor, and maybe a few other tricks



Comp,

You don't even need a engine with all the hot air you blow. I may be joking about our engine going in my truck with my late april fools joke, as if you look at my sig you'll see I'm putting a 4BT in that truck but what gets me is your constant "I'm", I've or "My" this or that... ... . get over yourself. You can't even answer my question in a past thread were I asked you "why can't your truck run on a dyno". I'm still waiting to hear your fancy excuse why your truck can't dyno?

When you put your truck on someone elses dyno besides Candy Striper P's and make some power, then maybe someone will take you seriously. Funny thing is nobody from any of the sites seems to have ever seen you make a full run to back anything you say. Why is that? Close to 50,000 members from all the diesel sites and no backing? You will soon have to answer why your truck can't keep up and we won't have to listen to your "quickest diesel in the world" B. S. anymore as some good friendly compitition is going to make you tuck your tail between your legs and fade away. ;)
 
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