PE 4200 install

[Proram]

I installed the ADT PE 4200 fuel kit yesterday. which included the 1/2" stand pipe and billet filter. came out real nice.

(pic's in gallery) the stand pipe is a small project, but worth it IMO. one thing i did notice is in the fact setup is the pickup kinda floats w/ the canister. the stand pipe wont do that. (if the tank bottom come's in contact w/ any thing the canister would float accordingly. i solved this prob. (i hope ) by notching the stand pipe in a cross pattern on the bottom as to if the pu gets to closeto the tank bottom it won't block fuel flow. i gave about 3/8"+ in clearance to tank bottom for the stand pipe. (might be a little more) bout same as the ears on the canister. ck out the pics

it's easier to see. had to "S" bend the pipe to get it to the location inside the canister i wanted. i removed all the screening and pickup's also. i left the stock pickup as it was easier to just leave it. The pump is sweet!!!! i don't know about the complaints iv'e heard, but it is Quiet! . my carter pusher was MUCH louder . The wireing kit that comes w/ the setup is first class also. had to install a mech, fp gauge as to

the eletric didn't read high enough. also installed a mech. Oil

Pressure gauge and a "pro-lite" for quick warning of low op.

Lites at 15 psi (had a spare one from the race car so why not ) i also removed all the fact. lift pump junk!have'nt got to realy test it yet , will post results soon. also w/ the gauge reading E (very E) it still made fp and fired after a little cranking. Thanks Scott

 

[Ncostello]

Very professional looking installation. Neat job especially the wiring. You've answered alot of question I have about the stock pickup assembly. Thanks.



Did you leave the return line stock? I was figuring that if a standpipe connection was utilized, the return line could be upgraded by using the "old" supply port on the top of the pickup assembly as its larger and the return could be plumbed into the OEM supply line somewhere up near the engine. Just a thought.

 

[JR2]

Nice install. I have aquestion, what is the second relay for?? I am guess that you triggerd the pump from the stock pump signal with one relay, so the second one must do ????





Another question for all you guys with a 4200 already, can I use the -6 lines I already have with it (I have the stock pump in ther rear already) or are they just too small?? Also can I use the stock pickup or is it too small?? If I don't use the stock pickup I have a problem because my ESPAR pickup is in the same spot as the new pickup in the pictures.





Thanks,



John

 

[15w40]

Nice work Proram. I am surprised to see that there is no screen on the pick-up tube. I see you are using a filter before the PE 4200.



JR2, when I asked Product Engineering if I could use AN -6, they recommended I use -8. When my pump arrived I took it apart and measured the internal ports to be only 0. 365” or slightly smaller than -6. I plan on using -6 with my 300HP engine.

 

[Proram]

PE Setup

Thanks guy's, I just try'd to do it like i was doing it for a customer.

I'm very happy w/ it so far. i have to let it sit over nite to see if it loses its prime. i didn't want to start today BUt i was seriously low on fuel and i just might have ran when i parked it last nite.

if a prob. i will install a check valve at the pump.



Neil, yea i still use the stock return line. i was told a while back

that thats sufficent. your using the feed for a return is a good idea! (cept. i removed all my stock lines )



JR2 i'm not sure why 2 relays, they are tie'd together so

as far as i'm concerned there redundent. (1 quits i'll still have one working) i think you could use the stock PU no prob. if your gonna use -6.



15w40, yea no screen, use the pe filter and i still have the fact. filter functional, i see 28 psi between the filter and the 44

even on 5/5 wide open no noticeable drop.



will post more after some use.



Scott

 

[Ncostello]

I installed a custom fuel tank in a fire truck once and built a custom standpipe using a brass 90 and some brass tubing. Had an experienced person braze it together and its still working perfectly. Used all JIC type coll-o-crimp fittings. It never loses prime and sometimes sits for two weeks. Its a Cat 3208 setup... if that makes a difference.



Anyway... I think the 3/8" (-6AN) hose is what I'm gonna go with. I wanted to use 1/2" but the -6 should flow much more than it really needs. I plan to use Aeroquip HD Socketless black hose with the silver plated fittings... but the cost for what I want to do is around $275 for just the hose, fittings and adapters. But I really dont have a choice since I dont like hose clamp connections. Never saw a small hose clamp I liked! The twin filter system I ordered was $280 so I'll be shelling out some bucks... and none of this cost includes a PE pump. But I'm setting it all up "modular" so adding a PE if necessary would be a snap.



What is your pickup tube. . aluminum?? Is it a compression fitting that attaches the tube to the AN bulkhead? Looks like you just plugged off the stock connection with a rubber cap... did you trash the internal hose? Thanks and your work looks great.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Scott, You have done some really nice work on your truck, from the Twins to the pump install it's all very professional and should be and example for everyone!



Jim

 

[MikeR]

Originally posted by JR2

Another question for all you guys with a 4200 already, can I use the -6 lines I already have with it (I have the stock pump in ther rear already) or are they just too small?? Also can I use the stock pickup or is it too small

John,



I'm proably one of the earlier PE installers, I've had mine since oct or nov and I used the -6AN line I already had in there.

Also, I left the stock pickup alone. It's been 20k miles now and it still works the same as day 1. I love it.

 

[Bigsaint]

Nice neat install Scott .



I just replaced my last 4200 with a new one. I started as the test pig ( no pun intended) with a 4100, which lasted about 10 months. The second PE pump was a 4200, but it wasn't right from day one, always displayed very erratic psi's and, as of the last month or so, started to observe a flutter on the FP gauge under all conditions. The pump was also very loud, could easily hear it over the idle, even from a distance. I thought I found the problem when I discovered two small cracks in the hose ends out bound from the pump, but I still had the flutter when I replaced them. I contacted fellow TDR member cscott and he had a new 4200 drop shipped to me within a week, no questions asked.



This new 4200 is extremely quit, more of a purr. At idle I see 25 psi's, can't drag it below 20 psi's no matter what I do. As for the lines, the only thing I changed is the inbound to the pump. I had originally used -8AN to the hardline, coming from the tank, with a Earl's compression fitting. I never was 110% convinced I had a solid connection at that critical juncture, so I went back to using 3/8" rubber fuel line, slipped and hose clamped over the hardline and then adapted to a barbed fitting/ shut off valve/ -8AN to the pump. Not as pretty as the braided stuff, but I think I have a better connection now.



As a side note, those relays that Scott used look pretty solid, I'd be real hesistant to mount my Radio shack relays under the truck where I live. I lost the relay I use to power my back up lights/ back up alarm this winter due to the elements. If you mount them under the truck and live in the harsh winter environment, just keep an eye on 'em. I use a single relay under the hood to power the PE pump.



Scott W.

 

[MikeR]

Right Scott,



I also don't think it's a good idea to have relays under the truck. It's just a big invite for corrosion of the connections.



My relay is attached to the top of the under-hood fuse box cover.

 

[Bigsaint]

Mike, I should have taken a picture of my failed relay. The terminals where covered in green and one actually broke free . That was after one winter. The one under the hood still looks like new.



Scott W.

 

[JR2]

Thanks for the info guys, I was not looking foreward to ripping out all the fancy -6 SS hose to replace with more expensive hose.



I know there are a few guys out there that knocked holes in the bottom of there tanks and draw fuel from there... . anyone have any experience with that??



John

 

[Ncostello]

ProRam... how thick was the material you drilled to install the bulkhead and what type of sealing washers (or O-Rings) did you use to seal the bulkhead? Additionally, how did you route the SS lines? I wondered because there isn't much room to route AN lines along the frame as they do the narrow steel factory lines. Are you worried about the SS line wearing a hole in the poly tank or did you protect it somehow. Seems like the braided SS hose likes to eat stuff it rubs against. Thanks.

 

[Rob Thomas]

Scott,



I see you live in PA, do you drive your truck through the winter? As others have stated, your relays will take a beating if you do. I know that the directions for the relay harness say to mount with-in factory wires length from the pump. However, I called PE, explained to them that I live in MI (aka saltsville), and the relays won't last mounted near the pump. He told me as long as I used 10 and 12 gauge wire(s) I wouldn't have any trouble if I mounted them on the firewall. I hate to repeat what others have said, but I'd hate even worse if you had to rewire everything on the side of the road.



Nice job on the bulk head mounting, thats the same way I did mine, no troubles with it at all. One thing though, watch when your low on fuel, sudden starts or stops will slosh the fuel to and fro, and you'll suck air, your gauge(s) will show you that, also the pumps sound will change pitch, which is probobly not good for it.





John,



I'm not sure thats a good idea, for safety reasons. There isn't any protection for the fitting under the tank. Member csutton7 has his mounted in the bottom, maybe PM him and ask for his comments.





Ncostello,



The sender housing is thin, maybe 3/16" thick, I used a single o-ring on the inside, no leaks ever. My lines are mounted different than Scotts (on the outside of the frame, and do not touch the tank at all) and are firmly attached to the frame via rubber coated clamps, and contact nothing.



Later, Rob

 

[Proram]

PE setup

Stop it ! you guys are giving me a big head. .

Thanks for the compliments. I just enjoy doing this type of work.

As for some of the questions:



Neil, the bulk head is about 1/4" thick. where i put it was realy the only place i could without removine everything from the camister. The fitting is a -8 90 deg. bulk head fitting that came with the kit. its a real Bi*&h to get the nut tight on the fitting from the inside but persistance paid off. the o-ring is on the fitting on the out side flange. as for the braided line there's plenty of room alomg side the tank in the frame rail to run the line w/ out rubbing the tank. Mine are mt'd along the inside of the frame w/ rubber coated clamps also. and i have rubber sheathing at the rub point's . hope this helps. any Q's PM me. also

i left the stock pickup in the canister, just because it might come in handy some time. . the stand pipe is alum. but it's some tuff stuff. ie; hard to bend nicely. ADT has them in stock. ( the rubber plug is so the pu. dosent siphoin on me)





JR2, i considered the idea of going in the bottom of the tank also. just didn't like the fact that theres no baffleing to keep fuel at the

suction point. on hard acceleration or braking w/ lo fuel levels

might pull air. . IMO ( never know unless you try)



Scott W. i live in the same climant as you and am concerned w/ the weather affecting the relays too. thats why i'm buildin a water tite cover for them. PE in there instructions states the want the relays as close to the pump as possible. that's why i mt'd them there. and your right it Just purr's . i'm used to the carter humming along and had to have the wife cycle the key just to see that it was running. .



If any bodys interested PE's pn# for the wiring kit is PE 1050

look in my gallery there's a pic' of the kit.





Jim , thanks much, your tips were invalueable... if ever i can be of help to you just ask!





I must shout out to Doug at ADT for supplying me w/ all the parts for this setup, his hose's were perfect legnths and beatifuly done. If you need this type setup don't hesatate to give him a call. . (side note: i am not affiliated w/ or sponsered by ADT, just a sattisfied customer!!!)



Oh and by the way it started right up tonite, so it must have been out of fuel. .



On a side note i took it out for a good beating and on 5/5 w/ 50 psi boost almost craped my pants. . it's almost uncontrolable

when it lites off. .



Well enough for now, Thanks All Scott