PE comp injector pump wire

[DarrellB]

Big Saint and Todd T would you guys quit it your making want to buy the power max 3 and I don''t have the clutch for it yet. or the $$$$$.



This is terrible I can't stand it. I gotta get out of this Club you guys are hard on my wallet.



Man I want that PM 3 bad, looks like everyones getting deer jerky for Christmas this year.



Big D

 

[Bigsaint]

This ones for you, Big D... . " Man, do I hate my TST box, every time I up the power level, the truck goes slower. The truck ran so much better ,stock rather than BOMBed. I wish I had a set of OEM injectors, all this black smoke is killing me. "



How's that Big D



Scott W.

 

[redneckdr]

super hot comp box

this will exhibit my "igernance"! what is the "super hot comp box?" is there another version of the comp box? available from PE? modified by someone else? inquiring minds want to know!!

 

[Partyat33]

Kurt, I was told by an edge dealer that the comp will only provide 20 more hp than the EZ.



If it ain't so, good for them.





Dennis

 

[KWIKKURT]

Partyat33,



I am anxious to get back on a dyno. Of course now with other Bombing additions it will be hard to tell what each componet does. After I added the DD3's and bombed the Lift pump and added the kwikspool turbo with stacks it was a huge improvement. Just the lift pump upgrade raised my boost psi 4 to 6 psi.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: super hot comp box

Originally posted by redneckdr

this will exhibit my "igernance"! what is the "super hot comp box?" is there another version of the comp box? available from PE? modified by someone else? inquiring minds want to know!!

Well I know that there is a "hot" box, that PE makes, and I know that some lucky people (Bill K) have one that's hotter then that, butnot for sale. That's the one I want.



AJB

 

[KWIKKURT]

Originally posted by Partyat33

Kurt, I was told by an edge dealer that the comp will only provide 20 more hp than the EZ.



If it ain't so, good for them.





Dennis

Dennis,



That 20 hp seems like a awful small increase. My truck with only 275's and a square K&N with the COMP box Dynoed at 359. 6 HP and 759 FT TQ (I think?). At May Maddness. I know the seat of the pants feel when I unhook the Extra fueling wire is WAY more than 20 HP.

IMNSHO

 

[Archive]

I pulled this quote from a thread that was posted a few weeks ago. I have been following the info on the PE comp closely as this is the box I have been looking at. (I am really waiting for Marco to finish with the MAD ECM's) This is just a quote from another TDR member. .

Bryan



"after talking with Doug and andy + Edge tech support, I chose to go with the Edge Comp instead of the EZ. The Comp will give you the same power that the EZ will if you don't tap the pump wire plus you can adjust the smoke levels from inside the cab. When you decide to do more upgrades you can tap the pump. The only problem with this way of thinking is after trying the Comp without the pump tapped I had an instant case of the BOMB fever and I went home and plugged it in to the pump. "

 

[DarrellB]

Bigsaint, Thanks but I think its to late. I got in the truck to come home from work and my truck just didn't have the power it used to, I men this thing felt like a slug. So I guess as soon as I get concrete and doors in the polebarn I'm going to have to call southbend and get that clutch headed this way. Just got finished with a phone call to Mark at TST and he said,

"you meen I have to program that box again this will be the second time. If you going to reprogram it you might as well go all the way and make it a PM3 comp and then I wont have to do it again. "

You just have to love a guy that thinks like that.



Time to blow the dust off the charge card.



Oh waight t doesn't have a chance to get any dust on it.

Big D

 

[Bigsaint]

Big D, if you get that TST box revamped into a comp. box, make sure you get the remote, if you don't have it already.



I feel your pain inregards to the charge card, mine stopped collecting dust when I joined the TDR. What the heck, you only go around once.



As to the ETC/ETH debate, I was going by posts of TDR members and their experiences. Under no circumstances interpret that to mean that the ETH does not respond well to proper BOMBing, just thinking that the ETC will respond a bit better with equal fueling mods. Personally, I like to have the large injectors and and the EZ box as a daily driver and the heavy fueling box as a toy to play with when I so desire.



Scott W.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

sorry guys i have been busy. what i meant about the 35 rwhp gain was this. with the comp on 1-5 i gained around 40rwhp "peak" and on 5-5 i gained another 35rwhp "peak" so i gained around 75 rwhp peak. but in the lower rpm's i gained around 120 rwhp. you will want to hook up that pump wire. when i went to the comp my egt's went from 1200 with dd2's and a stock turbo, to over 1700.





here is a link to a comparison between my eth and big bobs etc in spokane.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25578 go about 3 posts down.



the last two dyno events i've been to i have won. the latest being in spokane where i ran 492rwhp with propane and 426 without. i can't wait for tulare to see if i can break 500.



jim

 

[Bigsaint]

Jim, those are some huge numbers . I will be very happy with 425 RWHP with what I have. Man, that LPG really adds some ponies, eh ?



Scott W.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

yep it works good. i only use it while screwing around. since my head gasket. i've got a n. o. s. system lying around that i might add. and you finally talked me into getting the afterburners they will be here monday i hope. i'm looking for 550 at tulare.



jim

 

[CRegal]

Ok since i posted this topic, I figured I would post my resutls... .



I decided to give in and pierce that pump wire, course lucky i am a contourshinist (sp) cause that is one $%^*ing tough wire to get at. There is no way to cover up tapping that either. Its obvious its been tampered with. The connector edge uses will definetly leave a mark, not to metion it barely fits between the 2 wires. So having to pull apart the 2 wires... well its clear sumone was monking around with them.



Now for the results, this is all by seat of the pants judgement.

Before the taping of the pump wire, there was a definate gain in hp, although nothing to really brag about. It did make it a bit easier to drive around town though. If I had to guess, considering the weight on a 3500, it was around 40-50 hp gain at the wheels on setting 5/5. Adjusting the settings while driving around 65 on the highway, you do feel a slight difference between the settings, but nothing to write home about. I did notice with the comp box, that if You were cruising around town with lil to no boost(10 lbs or lower) shutting of the box at any settings didnt yield any difference. So it was clear the box was not doing anything to you really started to put some foot into it. As soon as you got around 2k on the tach then it was a different story. It really started to pull pretty good.



With pump wire connected, it started to make a lil more difference on overall feel. It still reacted the same, nothing until 2k on the tach. If I had to guess, I would believe about around another 40 hp in addition the the already 40-50hp already given. So at best, 90 hp to the wheels on setting 5/5. Now mind you I am still running the stock clutch, & I am unable to slip it as of yet without a load.



All and all it is a definte power gain, although not as much as an ETC might respond. With the addition of some injectors, and a larger turbo, it should make most folks pretty happy. Right now as it stands, it pulls as stock would up to aorund 1800- 2k then it kicks in.



These are just my observations in my truck. And by no means how it will react in everyones ETH.



Thanks



Cole

 

[KWIKKURT]

Cregal,



To me it sounds like there is something wrong. The box should make more difference even below 10 psi especially around town. That is what I enjoyed the most about the PE boxes is the low end zip they added.



I guess It could be that is the way it acts with stock injectors. I had installed the 275's the day before my first box. That with a EZ... ... REALLY made a big difference.

 

[CRegal]

Kurt, You might be right on the injector bit. I am still running the stockers, till I get a clutch.



I did also notice very lil to no smoke even on 5/5. the only time i get smoke is when its not quite warmed up. Now I know I will get alot of smoke with any injector of III's, so that is not too much of a concern. (lack of smoke that is)



Cole

 

[KWIKKURT]

CREGAL,



I want to suggest that you skip the 275's or the DD1 injectors. You will only endup changing them out later. Since you have the Comp box and can turn it up, down or off I would go straight to DD'3s . Diesel Dynamics latest DD'3s are not nearly the smokers the early ones were. If you live at high altitude, in california or you just don't want smoke then stick to the DD2's. And you can put them in before the clutch... ... . Just Don't use the Comp Box If you had a SlushOmatic I would suggest different bombing options!

 

[CRegal]

Yup, that is what I was shooting for, a nice set of III's. O and a KWICKER turbo... ...

 

[redneckdr]

slushomatics

Originally posted by KWIKKURT

CREGAL,



I want to suggest that you skip the 275's or the DD1 injectors. You will only endup changing them out later. Since you have the Comp box and can turn it up, down or off I would go straight to DD'3s . Diesel Dynamics latest DD'3s are not nearly the smokers the early ones were. If you live at high altitude, in california or you just don't want smoke then stick to the DD2's. And you can put them in before the clutch... ... . Just Don't use the Comp Box If you had a SlushOmatic I would suggest different bombing options!

soooo, kwik:

what do you recommend for us old shiftless men? been thinking about the comp w/o the pump wire attached, for several reasons. i presently don't plan to BOMB the transmission any time soon. i hope the transmission can take a bit more power and torque... ... ... maybe some day, DTT TC and VALVE BODY... .....

HERB

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: slushomatics

Originally posted by redneckdr



soooo, kwik:

what do you recommend for us old shiftless men? been thinking about the comp w/o the pump wire attached, for several reasons. i presently don't plan to BOMB the transmission any time soon. i hope the transmission can take a bit more power and torque... ... ... maybe some day, DTT TC and VALVE BODY... .....

HERB

The decideing factor is if your going to get the transmission work done one day. If you know you are, like me, then get the COMP. If the transmission work is a most likely not, just stick with the EZ.



I KNOW I will get the DTT transmission because I still want more. I will NOT tap that pump wire untill the transmission gets done, then I'll also throw in a set of stage 3 injectors, and some kind of turbo.



The 275's are nice, but you still need more boost to really get your money's worth. This is what I have been told by many.



Trust me, once you put that EZ in, you will what more, then you will HAVE to get that transmission done. This is my reason for getting the COMP and skipping the EZ. I almost went with injectors, but I don't think that 2's will suit my BOMB bug, plus that is REALLY pushing the transmission a little TOO far for me. Just leaving the COMP on 5x5, without the pump wire is pushing it if you ask me.



I know I smelled the transmission burnning up after I raced my girlfriend last night.



AJB