Petition Congress to Drill Domestically

[Jim Fulmer]

Subs - all nuke, retired the last diesel boat back in the mid 90's



Carriers - most if not all nuke by now, been slowly retiring the older ones built back in the 50's over the last 10 to 15 years.

All of the Carriers are nukes now, they just retired the last fuel burner but all the smaller ships are burners.



Keep this in mind: Since I joined the Navy (91) our ship force has been cut in half, 600 to 300 ish.



Jim

 

[Jdonoghue]

And now that they changed it to ULSD that makes it compatible with Europe's formula. My guess was it wasn't changed to help the environment, it was changed so it could be sold to Europe. Why does America hate the diesel so much?

The answer to that question is a 'global' answer. If we all drove diesels, what would Europe do with all of that gasoline? I really think the reason for all the years of 'repression' of diesels in the U. S. is because of global politics. Do you really think the auto manufacturers like all of the strict EPA diesel regulations? And why are our diesel regs so much tougher than Europe? Why does the EPA have more power than any other organization (it's more powerful than the major industries in this country, and we all know just how much 'pull' industry lobbyists have).

 

[EBung]

Man I wish I could find where I read that the IRAQ war was the biggest consumer in the US but I cant to prove it sorry. I just know I read it and if they all run on JP-8 whats the diff? I also read we were trading China 150,000 gallons (or barrels cant rem. which) A DAY for gas. Until the economy takes a total nose dive and Wall Street gets their mits out of the pie we're screwed. But lets face it diesel fuels America and the economy and the economy cant take it much longer. I know I cant but I still aint sellin my diesel.

 

[EBung]

Almost everything in the military runs off of JP-8 from planes to helicopters to humvee's. Something people don't consider, when the military isnt deployed over sea's they are still burning tons of fuel because they are always training to do what they are supposed to do. I know they are using more than they usually do but it my be suprising how little difference it is on the whole.

I see what you're saying but look at it like this, lets say when we are not at war how much training could they possiblely do? 24/7 365 like the war with however many 1000s of troops that need transport to and from? And how about the 1000s of armament and equipment transport? And what about all the millions of gallons of JP-8 that needs transport on a daily basis? I would bet the house they are burning at least double what they would at peace time. And I also bet what they use to transport all that fuel aint nuke powered. But what do I know I just work for the Railroad and we burn Off Road fuel.

 

[AKaiser]

Well, considering all of our electrical power generation is diesel generators of varying sizes, etc. it's possible we run quite a bit more fuel than normal peacetime, but, excepting for the first push north to Baghdad, we don't burn huge quantities of fuel. Our tanks and fighting vehicles spend a large amount of time acting as mobile armored fighting positions, running off auxiliary power (at least on the M1A2s) or at dead idle in the case of the Bradleys (as far as I know. ) Those two would be your biggest fuel suckers in the inventory, per vehicle. We don't have a whole lot of them out on the streets at any given time where I'm working, but there are always a few out. Now, the Uparmored HMMWVs and MRAPs do burn a bit of fuel, and spend more time moving. As far as the convoys hauling fuel in Iraq, the road miles surely aren't that much different than they would be in the states. I really doubt we're shipping the fuel from the US unless it's part of a shipment to Europe in general terms. Remember, we only have 140,000 some-odd troops in Iraq, and probably 80 percent work on the bases.



As far as transportation of troops to and from Iraq specifically, they regularly ferry 3-400 per day both ways for R&R leave via military "intra-theater" air and charter to and from the US. I flew home on a DC10. Nearly every Soldier will fly to and from Iraq 2x per year between deployment, leave, and redeployment. That movement will involve civilian jets, military jets and helicopters.

 

[EBung]

Well, considering all of our electrical power generation is diesel generators of varying sizes, etc. it's possible we run quite a bit more fuel than normal peacetime, but, excepting for the first push north to Baghdad, we don't burn huge quantities of fuel. Our tanks and fighting vehicles spend a large amount of time acting as mobile armored fighting positions, running off auxiliary power (at least on the M1A2s) or at dead idle in the case of the Bradleys (as far as I know. ) Those two would be your biggest fuel suckers in the inventory, per vehicle. We don't have a whole lot of them out on the streets at any given time where I'm working, but there are always a few out. Now, the Uparmored HMMWVs and MRAPs do burn a bit of fuel, and spend more time moving. As far as the convoys hauling fuel in Iraq, the road miles surely aren't that much different than they would be in the states. I really doubt we're shipping the fuel from the US unless it's part of a shipment to Europe in general terms. Remember, we only have 140,000 some-odd troops in Iraq, and probably 80 percent work on the bases.



As far as transportation of troops to and from Iraq specifically, they regularly ferry 3-400 per day both ways for R&R leave via military "intra-theater" air and charter to and from the US. I flew home on a DC10. Nearly every Soldier will fly to and from Iraq 2x per year between deployment, leave, and redeployment. That movement will involve civilian jets, military jets and helicopters.

AKaiser you have my upmost respect and I would hate to be where you are now God forbid. I wish we had a solution to this. God Bless

 

[AKaiser]

You all realize that much of the petroleum used in China is used in power generation. China's petroleum utilization is up some 30% in like the last 15 years or so.

 

[Sled Puller]

Why does America hate the diesel so much?

Have you read the "Great Smoke Stories" thread? There is thousands of reasons why America hates Diesels, right there.





Ok, China, using energy at an astounding rate. . why?



Because the stupid EPA regulations and other guvment red tape, + high corporate taxes, have made companies move to country's that do not care how much you pollute.



So blame it on the greenies, which are predominantly Democrat, and their Komrades, the RINOS.

 

[JesseJ]

China is trying to build coal plants like crazy, something like a new one coming on line every 2-3 weeks to get away from using fuel for power generation. Didn't anybody read their latest issue of TDR? There was a story in there about our refinery processes and how they differ from Europe. Our refineries use a different cracking method that lends itself to getting way more gas out of a barrel of oil than diesel. If I remember correctly it was something along the lines of 35-40% gas and 10% diesel where as refineries in europe use a different kind of cracking method that comes out 25% gas and 25% diesel and due to their love of diesels, they ship all their excess gas over here and we send them diesel because they need it. 1 in 8 gallons of gas in the U. S. comes form europe. Hence the need TO BUILD NEW REFINERIES! We should all say a very public thank you to the great folks in S. D. who voted to allow the first new refinery to be built in the U. S. in 30 years in their community.

 

[Moose Truck]

Bakken Formation?

This is kind of interesting... . I'm thinking that we need to change a few US Congress people and Senators Any rate as friend Emailed me this...



" This is about oil reserves. Let's get Congress moving!----------

Ever heard of the Bakken Formation?



GOOGLE it or follow this link. It will blow your mind. USGS Newsrooom The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oilmen knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota; western South Dakota; and extreme eastern Montana ... check THIS out:



The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5. 3 trillion.



'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea. ' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.



'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years,' reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin, but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken. ' And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada. For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!



That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight.



2. [And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from TWO YEARS AGO, people!]



U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006 Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.



They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:



-8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

-18-times as much oil as Iraq

-21-times as much oil as Kuwait

-22-times as much oil as Iran

-500-times as much oil as Yemen- and it's all right here in the Western United States.



HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this!? Because the democrats, environmentalists and left wing republicans have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil.



James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.



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Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace - it has to.

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Got your attention up yet? Hope so! Now, while you're thinking about it ... and hopefully P. O'd, do this:



3. Take 10 minutes and compose an e-mail; fax or good old-fashioned letter to all your friends and associates.

If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you want to complain about gas prices . . because by doing NOTHING, you've forfeited your right to complain.

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Now, I just wonder what would happen in this country, if every one of us sent this to everyone in our address books. "

 

[Dieselnut59]

Subs - all nuke, retired the last diesel boat back in the mid 90's



Carriers - most if not all nuke by now, been slowly retiring the older ones built back in the 50's over the last 10 to 15 years.

Then why can't our country's POWER PLANTS be "nuke" and free up the current diesel, natural gas and coal for other uses????

There IS a solution and it comes as a package... . Drill HERE and NOW, use available alternative fuels (Diesel, propane, natural gas, sensible biofuels, etc), come up with alternative sources of electricity (when practical) such as wind, solar, nuclear, hydro, etc and promote conservation when practical, such as use of more efficient diesel, diesel/electric hybrid, gas/hybrid, natural gas, propane or even pure electric, and save our regular petro fuels for diesel road tractors, industrial/farm equipment, etc where other forms of power are not practical. Conservation should be encouraged but not forced by government. Incentives for alternatives should be encouraged, but not subsidized by the taxpayers. We need to look out for ourselves first with what oil we do produce domestically, and refine it here for our own use. We also need to keep the government out of it as much as possible. They tax it every step of the way, yet have very little to do with actually getting it to us. Taxes cost more than oil company profits in the fuel we purchase.

 

[Moose Truck]

Then why can't our country's POWER PLANTS be "nuke" and free up the current diesel, natural gas and coal for other uses????

There IS a solution and it comes as a package... . Drill HERE and NOW, use available alternative fuels (Diesel, propane, natural gas, sensible biofuels, etc), come up with alternative sources of electricity (when practical) such as wind, solar, nuclear, hydro, etc and promote conservation when practical, such as use of more efficient diesel, diesel/electric hybrid, gas/hybrid, natural gas, propane or even pure electric, and save our regular petro fuels for diesel road tractors, industrial/farm equipment, etc where other forms of power are not practical. Conservation should be encouraged but not forced by government. Incentives for alternatives should be encouraged, but not subsidized by the taxpayers. We need to look out for ourselves first with what oil we do produce domestically, and refine it here for our own use. We also need to keep the government out of it as much as possible. They tax it every step of the way, yet have very little to do with actually getting it to us. Taxes cost more than oil company profits in the fuel we purchase.

What he said! I can not agree more!!