Competition PHUZION head gasket O-ring???cummins??

[Sled Puller]

Chris,

Early "02 here, O-rings in the block, no groove in the head, . 020 marine gasket, plenty of boost, still running great!!!



Oh yea, STOCK HEAD BOLTS. Studs are highly overated.

 

[jwilliams3]

So Greg,

Do you think the Steelers are going all the way this year?

I heard on CNN that 94. 3% of the public thinks so :-laf :-laf



Side note:

50psi boost on a regular basis, 58 peak every once in a while.

Stock bolts, stock gasket.

 

[COMP461]

I got the new hot rod mag and they were talking about a heat gasket you can get from cometic that had a ring installed that eliminated the need to have the engine o-ringed the said they are about $200 ??? Does any body have any experance with these gasket on a 5. 9????

You and sleddie are unteachable. but this guy asked a valid question , and did you offer any answer , other then to try and hijack a thread, with you little funnies . and every NASCAR out there uses that gasket

 

[jwilliams3]

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So Greg do you even drive a Diesel truck that you own on the street?

 

[Sled Puller]

Yes, I agree Justin there is something to be said for the people who are actuallyy run big power on the street frequently, rather than make a trip down the dragstrip 2 times a year then try to preach to us how knowledgable they are.



Take an 8000 pound 4x4 to 120MPH on the interstate running down a Vette, pushing 90psi with mud tires, then come back and tell us about how well part a or b will hold up.



(I don't condone street racing. )





And until you hook to a sled Comp, you don't understand extreme. 9 seconds in your tupperware is puppy poo comapred to what the street guys do on this board. And have been doing since way before you lost your gasser ride and have been in drag racer unemployment line ever since.

 

[csutton7]

Sleddy--I knew you were right there with me when we did mine---your success is one that is extremely impressive ---but it worked so there's nothing you can knock about it--I think because you have the groove in the block is the key, to many people fret over this and thus do just the head--if you do the head I'd recommend you do a receiver groove in the block--but again it depends on what your plans are for turbos

-chris

 

[GWBourne]

So Greg,

Do you think the Steelers are going all the way this year?

I heard on CNN that 94. 3% of the public thinks so :-laf :-laf



Side note:

50psi boost on a regular basis, 58 peak every once in a while.

Stock bolts, stock gasket.

truck specs?

thanks

Grant



nevermind

04. 5 Cummins SBCDD 3850 12CB. Horschel Fluidampr (thanks Peter!) TSTCR. TS MP8. FASS. MTII's. 526/977Uncorrected Traction Bars. SCHEID Cam. SRT Pillar & Hood. BDDL. SPS66 110*1026*468

thanks

grant

 

[Sled Puller]

Chris, I think the key to my success was doing the entire engine at the same time, truing the block and the head, and having the block out of the truck to be extra careful.



I think alot of guys shine the block up, groove the head, buy studs, slam it back on, and then wonder why it leaks.

I have heard more stories about how fast they can change a head gasket, rather than how long the seal lasts.

 

[Amish Elegance]

ROTFLMAO!



What a perfect thread. Educational AND funny. :-laf :-laf



Greg, with what you said about bore distortion, how are those new 12mm ARP studs you spoke of in an earlier thread going to be able to effectively clamp with any greater force and not distort the bore? Not a simple swap if you wanna crank em down a little more then?





:-{} As you were fellas.

 

[csutton7]

sleddy--no doubt this played into it---chris

 

[Sled Puller]

about the extent of you diesel knowledge , other then keybaord pecking

COMP you bring Justins exprience or lack of quite a bit. The funny thing is, he has worked for CUMMINS quite a bit longer than you have been playing with Diesels.



He has worked in their special race research engine assembly room on a number of occassions.

 

[bgilbert]

Drag racer unemployment line :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf .



So it's best to groove both surfaces?

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Back to the topic here!



Single O-ring in the head on two different motor's for 3 years now running at 65-85 psi, 20-26 degrees timing, Water/Methanol (adds timing) and never one issue with a stock headgasket. Motor #1 (12mm) Motor #2 (14mm) studs.



Jim

 

[Sled Puller]

Yes, Jim, but you need to put the motor under load to see if you system works. Blipping the throttle a few times on a dyno run isn't really testing anything, don't you think? :-laf

 

[JoshPeters]

Man this is a funny thread.



COMP... Unfortunatly I've been waiting for someone to bring HVAC up. He would SCHOOL you by now. It's to bad he's no longer with us. Your Cylinder loading, and preaching that Firerings aren't any good...comes from what?



What kind of research have YOU done to prove that that system is any better or worse than your precious O-rings. O-rings work. No problem there. Fire rings work. No problem. These new multi-layer gaskets are nifty.



MY OPINION!?! No one has taken a pezio matt and placed between the head and the block with 12 or 14mm studs to find out what happens. No one has taken that same matt and found out what kind of pressure is at the fire ring stock, studded, o-ringed or fire ringed. IF you claim you did, I want to see pictures. I want to see print outs.



I hate to say it, but I dont' belive it till I see it. IMHO, Keating has beaten you. You have no video, no picture, no proof.



Sit down, and get your truck running and prove me wrong.



The one thing that REALLY irritates me about you, and it's probably not just me, is the fact that you patrionize us like we are little kids. There is more than one way to make big power. There is more than one way to seal with a headgasket. Get off your high horse and realize that people are knocking on your back door ready to beat you and your high and mighty attitude. What then Comp? Are you going to talk smack after Keating beats you, and you don't have your truck running. Or are you going to say you made another immagionary pass at 8. 23 or some BS like that?



Ok... I'm done... . maybe I should have had a cup of coffee before all that... .



Josh

 

[JSpecht]

MAN this thread went to HELL fast WTF so only one person as any experience with these gaskets

 

[Sled Puller]

Evidently the lone Ford guy on here is the only one. If it worked well on the Ford, it may work well on the Cummins with reasonable boost levels.

 

[csutton7]

"reasonable boost levels" is the caveat here--who wants to guinea pig it???...

 

[JSpecht]

What is the average boost level that the factor gasket will hold??

 

[JoshPeters]

Factory gasket with regular stock bolts, people will claim to have held 50psi. I think that's pushing it. 12mm Studs with a stock gasket are supposed to be good to 60psi.



Honestly I don't think it's so much the boost level it's the drive pressure/cylinder pressure you have to worry about.



Josh