Pictures of my cummins conversion..

[Brayden]

Hey. . Look at the old post for pictures There are tons of them. .

 

[rmcnamee]

Awesome idea... . Good luck with it and don't forget to post the pics when you're finished.



Ryan

 

[jlast]

What are you doing to strengthen the frame? front springs?



Not the ideal truck for the swap, but interesting.

 

[Brayden]

Everyone's idea of "Ideal truck" is different. My truck is ideal for what I do. I run trails/off-road. My truck is the perfect wheelbase (122" stock, 125" after I place the D60 front).



This is by no means, a lil 4wd S10. It's bigger than most full size trucks and I have a drivetrain stronger than a stock 1 ton Dodge.



The frame is fully boxed from the factory 3/4 of the way. I'm boxing the rest of it and fishplating the outside of the framerails with . 125" plate. The frame thickness is . 150" from the factory. I also removed the factory stamped crossmembers and I'm in the process of adding 5 new tubular crossmembers(2. 375" OD x . 250 wall) The frame will be plenty stiff. I'm running ford superduty 3" width front 6" lift springs @ 550 lbs/inch spring rate.



It's going to be a well balanced off-road vehicle that is equally up to the task of street driving. The cummins will provide the horsepower, torque, and reliability that I need.



400hp in a 6000 lb vehicle is pretty cool, especially when that hp is matched by 850 lb/ft torque.



Just didn't want you to think this is a lil old S10. . It's basically a total redesign. The truck will have the factory frame and cab, but nothing will go untouched.



Check the other thread out to see pics of the progress.



Thanks,



Brayden

 

[jlast]

TO all his own on Ideal truck.



125" wheelbase is full size length,

Stock 1 st gen truck is a 131"

Chevy is right around there.

short bed chevy 117" older style.



sounds like your staying fullsize axle width,



newer dodges have a dana 80 rear, with 70 outers or something.



Doubler setup is a long SOB, have just doubler measurements around here somewhere, i believe ORD makes the shortest 203 to 205 adapter, but new ones are alum.



Dont know the length on the nv5600 but last time i was under my buddies truck i remembered it was HUGE.



Currently i build/ am building for others,

85 4 runner, D60/14b 5. 13 detroit, 44" michelin xl, SBC, soon to be 465 203 205. 81" total width running full width axles.



buggy 2. 5ton rockwells, 52" michelin xl, BBC, 465 203 205, full air bag.

And two other vehicles, plus my Fj40s listed in my sig.



tid bits of information i have picked up, over the years



a chevy Nv4500 to Np241 adapter. Then

the face of the 203 got re-dirlled. Approx 7" long

adaapter. And it has the chevy

32 spline output shaft. to a 32 spline 203 all chevy.

dodge trans with chevy rear output and adapter above.



47. 5" NV4500, np203, np205 (what is listed above) ord adapter

44. 75" Sm465, np203, np205

52. 25"/56. 375" TRII, SM465, np203, np205



Any other info you might need just ask, have collected a ton of info.



Too long, will post more.

 

[Brayden]

An S10 ext cab is 122" wheelbase. A std. cab chevy will probably be shorter, but it's not an off-road vehicle. It is way too wide. I'm not into smackin body panels on 2+ trails.



I was going to machine my own doubler, but I don't have time. I'm going to run the ORD gen II doubler. It is shorter than a stock NP203 (21. 5"). I'm not running a NV5600. The adapter housing between my transmission (GM 32 spline) to NP203 is 1. 1" thick. So, I'm not worried there. I'm about 23-24" total from the ORD adapter housing to the yoke centerline, This is about as short as the stock NV233 in the S10. I currently have a 56" long rear driveshaft, I'm not at all worried about driveline length. After the doubler my shafts should be close to equal length. D70 is a stock dodge 3/4 or 1 ton axle. Dually's get the 80. I'm running a 14 bolt chevy. Same ring gear size as the 70, yet the 14 bolt has 3 pinion supports. It's stronger, ask anybody. Yes I'm running my axles fullwidth, is there any other way?





Just makes me wonder why you'd question my setup when you are building a 4 runner & two FJ's which share the same wheelbase or shorter. I'd rather hi center than flop a short WB vehicle.



Thanks for the measurements though.

 

[jlast]

agree on smackin panels on some trails, but full width axles will not fit without major bs rims on many places the rigs i build run, i assume you run rocks? The buggy will only run certain places as it is to wide i think, and it will be on a 120" wb. The 4 runner is about 108" to help with angles.



I had not heard or seen anywhere about your decision on the trans that is why I posted trans stuff, what transmission you using?



no question on the 14b stronger then the 70, that why 4+ rigs i built run them.

not sure if you have seen this, but i would consider shaving the rear while it is out,

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/14b_bible/index.html



I ask questions as that is the only thing I can do, i cannot visually see whats up. I just trying to help at what little i can do at some 1000s miles away. I love building rigs. I have no way of knowing your knowledge other then how you answer my questions. I only posted a few examples of what i have built just to show that in noway that i am a webwheeler, and that i do have experience.



The wheelbase arguement is forever a classic, these vehicles are purpose built, most have limited street time, not DD, the places ran the longer wheelbase (about 110"+) have more trouble then less. SWB flop can be helped with LCG and vehicle weight, LWB is generally heavier, a way to correct high center is to go higher but then you have a better chance to flop.



I have thought about a similar swap and question what springs to use. Either setup like factory leafs and be to stiff for fun, or work for fun and have to be replaced every year. Nationals would be an option.

 

[Brayden]

Thanks



I did shave my 14 bolt already... I posted it a while back, Bill is suppose to add some of my pics to the bible.



These are a few pics. . I don't have any updated ones yet.



Here's the my thread over @ POR that explains everything that I did. Brayden's 14 Bolt Shaving Guide



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[Steve St.Laurent]

Just a little correction Brayden. The only CTD's that come with the Dana 70 are 3/4 ton's with an automatic. All manual trucks get the Dana 80 hybrid as do all the one tons. The Dana 80 hybrid is a Dana 80 center section with Dana 70 axle shafts.



What transmission have you decided on and what transfer cases are you using? I'll be out of town until sunday at the Scheid rally so I won't be able to read this until then.

 

[Brayden]

I forgot to mention what trans I'm using. .



I've got a couple of leads on a 1000 series Allison. In it's GM 4wd configuration it shares the same output shaft with the TH400/4L80E. It is 28. 4" long from the face of the bellhousing to the tip of the tailshaft. Short & Stout.