Powel's address to U.N. Security Council...

[Sled Puller]

yep, I watched the speech, but I seem to have missed this jibberish from the liberals, sounds like bs to me.

If it came from the big three, I know it is crap. Just their typical spin.



Powell, was the liberals last chance, and he put it to them.



Old Bush is playin the Democrats and the UN like a fiddle.

 

[illflem]

Gene here's a transcript of an interview with the guy that unknowingly helped write Powell's speech. Other media reports had much more to say but I knew where to find this one http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/10/ltm.16.html

 

[Champane Flight]

Lets get on with it!

I wish we would just get on with it! I want to see death, blood and guts, and total destruction! Then I want to pay to put it back together again! All the time this is happening, I want to see all the factions in Iraq fight amongst themselves and us! Lets roll! Maybe then they will have to activate the draft!



Wow, this sounds like fun to me, I can just sit at home and sell duck tape and plastic. All the while Osama is sitting in a luxury hotel in Maylasia laughing his bu!! off and Saddam is in the South Pacific somewhere living off his millions he has stashed. You really didn't think we would get him did you?

 

[Sled Puller]

LMAO!!!!!



AL-MARASHI: "

... ... ... And I just wanted to clarify that having studied Iraq's weapons of mass destruction in the past and its concealment techniques, I thought Powell's presentation brought a lot of valid evidence to -- towards the case that Iraq is concealing weapons of mass destruction.



So I don't -- didn't want any link between what the U. K. government did and what the U. S. government said at the U. N. on February "







Sorry girls!!!!



Spin baby, spin!!

 

[Sled Puller]

Hey CF... kill a few now, or bury your neighbors later... your call.

 

[moon]

Kill a few now!Sled Puller,you got any girls or boys your sending over with Bush or have you got any relatives in Iraq, if you have maybe they will be some of the few you want to kill now!

 

[Sled Puller]

No, kill a few Iraqis.

Where are you from?



I have no family, this time, but I have plenty of friends over there, and they all have the same attitude, lets finish this before it gets worse.



Do you guys remember what happend 9/11??

The plane that hit Pennsylvania was a few miles away from where I was working, and flew over all my friends and relatives.

Some of you guys out west seem to think you are removed from all of this.



You think it it can't happen again?



You think some goof inspectors are going to keep this country safe?



We are fighting an enemy that cannot be negotiated with, we have to kill them.



As revolting as that is to us, that is the sorry truth, and we damn well better accept it.

 

[moon]

Sled Puller.

Allow me to enlighten you on the subject.

Dont you think some of our boys and girls are going to get killed in this stupid war,a war that is only about OIL.

Maybe someday you will have kids then i wonder what your opinion would be. Human beings are the same no matter what color skin.

It wasnt Iraqis that caused 9/11 or dont you know that either?

I am from the west and i know whats going on but it seems you dont,you got all steamed up earlier in this thread and you got straightent out on it. From your comments i wonder what color the sky is in your world.

Kill seems to be the only word you know no matter who,when or were,this is not about terrorists or threats or the American or the Iraqi people,its about Bush wageing war for OIL.

 

[Sled Puller]

Anyone who thinks this war is about oil and that Saddam has nothing to do with terrorism, has their head deep in the sand, or has a different agenda than true Americans.



Say no more, I know who and what you are now, yelloweyes.





You are either with us, or against us. Iraq will not be the last battle in this war, not by a long shot.

I wish I had the blinders on shut tight like some and don't care about what the terrorists will do next.



Do you think that 9/11 was a fluke?





Lets put it another way.



Ok yeloow eyes, Champane Flight, and the rest of the French, what do YOU think we should do to combat terrorism?



So far, all you have done is tell us that Bush is wrong. if you think he is so wrong, then you must have an idea what is right, so. .



Lets hear a plan.

Maybe I will change my stance if you actually have something that makes any sense at all, and nobody gets killed.

 

[moon]

Sled Puller, you failed to answer the questions.

Who was the people who did 9/11?

They were not Iraqis so who were they?

What has Iraq done to us on our soil?

Why dont we go after N Korea,they have nuclear missles that can reach us.

Why not wait and see if the inspections can avert a war,Sadam is no threat to us at the moment and chances are maybe never will be.

In case you dont get the answers right i will spell it out for you, N. Korea has no OIL,Iraq has some of the biggest oil reserves in the world.

 

[Sled Puller]

Who was the people who did 9/11? TERRORISTS.



They were not Iraqis so who were they? BACKED BY SADDAM







What has Iraq done to us on our soil? THEY BACK TERRORISTS. OUR PRESIDENT DECLARED WAR ON TERRORISM, AND CONGRESS BACKED HIM, TRY TO KEEP UP.



Why dont we go after N Korea,they have nuclear missles that can reach us. N. KOREA IS CONTAINED, AND HAVE ADMITTED HAVING WEAPONS, SO THEY ARE NOT AN IMMEDIATE THREAT. THEY WILL BE DEALT WITH SOON. N. KOREA IS A DIVERSION USED BY THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS WHO ARE DESPARETLY TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TO SCREW BUSH UP. TOO BAD FOR FOR THEM IT ISN'T WORKING.

(WOULD YOU CARE TO TELL US HOW NORTH KOREA GOT THOSE WEAPONS? I BET YOU WON'T ANSWER THAT . )



Why not wait and see if the inspections can avert a war,Sadam is no threat to us at the moment and chances are maybe never will be.



WE HAVE WAITED 10 YEARS FOR INSPECTORS, GO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.



In case you dont get the answers right i will spell it out for you, N. Korea has no OIL,Iraq has some of the biggest oil reserves in the world.

WE HAVE GOT ALONG JUST FINE WITHOUT IRAQ OIL NOW SINCE 1992.



GOSH! I HAVE AN IDEA! HOW ABOUT WE DRILL IN ANWAR AND AVOID THIS WAR? DO YOU CONDONE THAT?







Now, you answer my question, how do you, in your all knowing wisdom, suggest we protect ourselves from another attack?



Anybody have any ideas? Come on, 1 idea.

 

[illflem]

War on Iraq IQ test



Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq?



1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U. S. have?

A: 6%



2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U. S. have?

A: 50%



3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?

A: Saudi Arabia



4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?

A: Iraq



5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?

A: $900+ billion



6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U. S. ?

A:50%



7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the the UN?

A: 10% (that's about$40 billion, the amount of funding initially

requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).



8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?

A: 86 million



9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?

A: Since the early 1980's.



10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own?

A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US

government, along with Britain and private corporations.



11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran?

A: No



12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the

Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988?

A: 5,000



13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time?

A:0



14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam?

A: 17million.



15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack?

A: No



16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?

A: 35,000



17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the

western forces during the Gulf War ?

A: 0



18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U. S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?

A: 6,000



19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War?

A: 40 tons



20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994?

A: 700%



21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991?

A: 80%



22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for

anything other than deterrence and self defense?

A: No



23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago?

A: No



24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?

A: 10,000



25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?

A:Over 50%



26. Q: How many years has the U. S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?

A: 11 years



27. Q: Was the U. S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?

A: No



28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?

A: 20 million



29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?

A: 12 years



30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000

births)?

A: 38



31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)?

A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)



32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions?

A: 1. 5 million



33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to

sanctions since 1997?

A: 750,000



34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?

A:No



35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?

A:300



36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?

A:5



37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ?

A: Yes



38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been

disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history. "

A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.



39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop

weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled?

A: 90%



40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in?

A:Yes



41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?

A: Over 65



42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990?

A: 30+



44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?

A: 8



45. Q:How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got?

A: 0



46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US have?

A: over 10,000



47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?

A: the US



48. How come the Iraqis don't like us?

A: you figure it out

 

[Sled Puller]

Where did you get that illflem?



Do you believe those answers to be true?



Who released that?

 

[illflem]

Recent poll in Britain, our "allies"

As reported by Fox news

Which country do you believe poses the greatest threat to world peace?



Iraq - 27%

N. Korea - 17%

Untied States - 54%

Other - 2%



Gene it was an email from these guys

Oregon Center for Public Policy http://www.ocpp.org/



I have no idea if it's all true but believe enough of it is.

 

[loncray]

Iraqi Oil

This is fun - watching the fireworks. Just one thing - we aren't doing without Iraqi oil at all. We might be importing less, but we're still importing it.

 

[AKDrifter]

Illflem, who answers these stupid polls and who gives them?



Fox, ABC,CBS, NBC, and NPR, PBS state stuff all the time that is untrue.



We the people, are at risk the longer this thing goes on. Iraq/Sadam is the heart of the problem and has been for a long time. It's time to remove the heart and move on down the list. We cannot risk the chance that something will happen again in the USA. We already know something will happen, why wait?



We will fight better on our toes than on our heals!

 

[Sled Puller]

illflem,

I don't have time to rebut all of them, nor do I want to.

It is obviuosly designed to make America look as bad as possible.



I give up.



We are the bad guys.



Americans should throw down their arms and surrender.



No, that won't be good enough. First dig a hole and then drink poison, and lay down in the hole, so as not cause the rest of the world too much discomfort in burying us. That is the only way to ever make up for the terrible things we have done to the world. We are such ***.



Split up all our Nukes amognst every country in the world.



But, as of today, we can all feel safer. The Iraqis are passing legislation to ban weapons of mass destruction.



Praise Allah.

 

[The patriot]

Geez Gene, next I hear of you you'll be wearing sandals and eating tofu, your full time job will be protests.

Eric:-laf

 

[Champane Flight]

Americans bad?

I don't think anyone here is saying America is bad. What we are saying is that the present administration is on a collision course with the rest of the world. There is no foreign relation skill whatsoever in the Whitehouse today.



Ther is a lot more to the taking of Iraq than just oil. We would remove a evil regime that has been our allie at one time. We could set up shop by putting a firm military basecamp in the middle of the middle east. We would also be taking a threat off of our buddies, Israel. They are all for it, then they won't be the only "bad guys" in the middle east. We will become the next target for the "suicide bombers now hitting Israel.



This has nothing to do with Iraq being a threat to the USA, I really don't see anyone really taking this rethoric seriously. Unless of course you have close ties with the present administration. It has nothing to do with WMD, if they did use these weapons in the last 12 years, we would have taken Iraq at that time!

 

[Sled Puller]

It tastes like chicken!!

Sandals are a bit nipply here, I will have to move to Key West, and then go to Berkely for the summer.



It just gets to the point where their side is just so ridiculous, you start laughing.

Don't forget, they vote.



... . Shiny happy people holding hands... ... ... . I'd like to buy the world a Coke... ... so they can be refreshed while they crash jetliners into our houses.....



Does anyone represent the gun toating meat eating people anymore?