Power windows in ignition on position only?

[RATTLINRAM]

I don't know if it's a big deal or not, but I wonder why they decided the windows should only work when the key is in the ign. ON position, thus activating the grid heater & fuel pump. Has anyone tried to wire them so that they will work in the accessory position as well? Or, is it not that big of a deal?
Inquiring Minds (or lack of) Want To Know #ad


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Dennis in VA
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!

 

[CCahill]

I,m also interested... Kinda bugs me. On the new GM trucks, you can even listen to the radio, after you've shut down and pulled the key out. . only when you move the interior door handle, then every thing shuts down... ... #ad



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Specialized FSR PRO Stumpjumper Cannondale F2000, Loaded
MTD Lawn tractor with flames
12' fishin' boat, loaded. .

 

[Joe G.]

Check the archives for details. There is a thread about doing this. Pretty easy. I did it on my '95, but it's a bit different on the later model trucks. I just moved the wire to the windows from the circuit breaker it was on to the one for the power seat.

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Joe George
Eureka, CA

'95 2500 CC auto 4X4,3. 54,Combo EGT/boost guage,custom switch panel,PacBrake,TST #5,BD valve body,Automatic motorhome steps on both sides,Foldacover hard bed cover,Cummins chrome kit,Black steel grill guard,Front hitch receiver

 

[RankRam]

Thanks for the tip Joe, I'll give it a try.

 

[RankRam]

I have a 99 and I tried the jumper wire trick and it made my heater blower motor run all the time. What's up with that???

 

[Joe G.]

I dunno for sure since mine is a '95. However, if you didn't disconnect the power window circuit from the ignition on circuit and just jumped them, then you probably provided battery power to the ignition on circuit without going thru the ignition switch.

 

[Mick2500]

Dennis,

Check out my old post.....
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb//Forum17/HTML/000883.html

RankRam,
Could you have plugged it in the upper rather than the LOWER connector on the socket? That would feed power back into the circuit.

Mick
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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE, QuadCab, 4X4, SB, LSD, 3. 54, SLT+, Sport, Intense Blue PC/Agate, Tow Package, Camper Package, 'DC' Bed Cover, Sliding rear window. Totally STOCK!!
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[DennyDay]

For those of you not old enough to remember Ralph Nader and Nader's Raiders, the ones that really "fixed the US Automobile industry (remember the Corvair) He is responsible for the requirement for the key to activate the electric windows. Was afraid a child playing in a car WITHOUT PARENTAL SUPERVISION would play with windows and choke. Probably by now is a vehicle safety regulation.

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Denny
'99 2500 4X4 White short Q cab to much added to put here

 

[RATTLINRAM]

Thanks Guys,
I didn't think I was the only one that thought the windows should work differently. Nice truck Mick, now I know what my truck would look like if I would have got 4WD. I probably would have a hard time hooking up my 5er though. Did you remove the Sport & 2500 badges or is that the way the 01's come? I think I'll try modifying the windows on my next day off. Thanks again.

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Dennis in VA
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!

 

[DRT]

Auto down---why not auto up?

 

[CCahill]

DRT,
I don't know about you, but my auto down funtion is so sesitive, every time I want the window down a couple'a inches, I end up going back and forth,back and forth... I think I'll by an extra switch, while DC is still alive... I,m sure this one won't last as long as the ISB will

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2001 Quad,4x4,4. 10LS,LB,Loaded enough,stock,mostly... . 65 Chevelle sedan, Hella nice driver, 53 Nash Rambler Convt,1 of 653 built,[not a Metro], GM drivetrain, injection, and auto/od
Specialized FSR PRO Stumpjumper Cannondale F2000, Loaded
MTD Lawn tractor with flames
12' fishin' boat, loaded. .

 

[DRT]

CCahill--yours sounds more sensitve than mine. Every time I use the auto down function-I have to hold it to put it back up. (Toll bridges). I always think--auto up would be inventive. Anyone know how to do it?

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muffler fell off--Geno's fixed it, breather bottle blew off-8' hose found its way on, gauge pod in garage, gauges on order,
debadged(cut and trimmed Cummins 24 valve part and put it back on)
2000 Alpenlite Rainer DX slide in
1998 Neptune 230 walkaround sport fisher

 

[CCahill]

I did mine " keyless" a little different, but similar. . Didn't want to damage th fuse, or drill any holes, so I jumped it with th braker in the jumper... ... ..... #ad
... . works great, now , that express up... HMMMMMMMM?

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2001 Quad,4x4,4. 10LS,LB,Loaded enough,stock,mostly... . 65 Chevelle sedan, Hella nice driver, 53 Nash Rambler Convt,1 of 653 built,[not a Metro], GM drivetrain, injection, and auto/od
Specialized FSR PRO Stumpjumper Cannondale F2000, Loaded
MTD Lawn tractor with flames
12' fishin' boat, loaded. .

 

[CCahill]

#ad

 

[CCahill]

If it doesn't work this time... Mas Cervezas!
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2001 Quad,4x4,4. 10LS,LB,Loaded enough,stock,mostly... . 65 Chevelle sedan, Hella nice driver, 53 Nash Rambler Convt,1 of 653 built,[not a Metro], GM drivetrain, injection, and auto/od
Specialized FSR PRO Stumpjumper Cannondale F2000, Loaded
MTD Lawn tractor with flames
12' fishin' boat, loaded. .

 

[DUNE RACER]

Ccahill, did your jumper arangement make the windows hot all the time or just when the key is on RUN or ACC. ? I would like to modify mine but I don't want the circuit hot all the time.

As for the auto up trick on the windows you may want to try a switch from a 4Runner, my wifes has this feature. Someone thats creative could surely make it work.

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2001 black dually,4x4, 6 speed H. O. ,loaded up and then some!

 

[Blackcloud]

Seems to me all you guys have the power drivers seat. How could this be done without a powered drivers seat?

 

[illflem]

Blackcloud,the power doesn't have to come from the power seat breaker,any circuit that has full time power will work to power the windows. The way Cahill has his wired isn't connected to the seat circuit. You must remove the window breaker or cut the supply wire to it though or the power will feed back to your ignition when the key is off. Not having a power seat may make it easier,you can pull power from the spot where the seat breaker is normally located without worrying about having to supply power to the seat.

 

[Great White]

Rattlinram, made the leap!

I wanted to have the windows operate with the key off. I always seem to "hop" out with the windows down, or leave the wife without the key!
So what I did was tap a wire to the left overhead courtesy lamp and feed a Bosch 071 relay. (a common automotive relay used for alarms & such)
The relay was tucked inside and aft of the fuse door on left side of the dash. In this fuse panel is where the window circuit breaker and the power seat breakers are located. The window circuit is switched by the key. The seat circuit is hot all the time.
The trick is to manufacture some small jumpers using Small male and female spade connectors to access the two circuits. One jumper is the "tee" tap to the load side of seat circuit for alternate source to n/o relay contact
One jumper is the to the load side of the window circuit breaker to n/c relay contact
two jumpers allow the circuit breakers to lifted away from the fuse block
the last jumper connects the common side of the relay back to the load side of the window breakers position to feed the window themselves.
A small amount of filing on side of male spades is needed to allow them to enter the fuse block, maybe . 050" removed?
Look at the breakers and their male contacts that enter the fuse block

The normally (n/c) contact is connected to the window feed via the key.
The alternate window feed is from the seat circuit which is always hot goes to the normally open (n/o).
Common goes back into the load side of the fuse block at the window position.
The coil of the relay goes to the map light (two wires + &-) Bare the wires at the lamp socket, solder & tape.

So whenever the "map" light is on the windows work!
If you open the doors, disarm the alarm remotely or manually turn on the left map light the windows work!



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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailer pkg,Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks... . Except snowplow!

 

[Great White]

Rattlinram, made the leap!

I wanted to have the windows operate with the key off. I always seem to "hop" out with the windows down, or leave the wife without the key!
So what I did was tap a wire to the left overhead courtesy lamp and feed a Bosch 071 relay. (a common automotive relay used for alarms & such)
The relay was tucked inside and aft of the fuse door on left side of the dash. In this fuse panel is where the window circuit breaker and the power seat breakers are located. The window circuit is switched by the key. The seat circuit is hot all the time.
The trick is to manufacture some small jumpers using Small male and female spade connectors to access the two circuits. One jumper is the "tee" tap to the load side of seat circuit for alternate source to n/o relay contact
One jumper is the to the load side of the window circuit breaker to n/c relay contact
two jumpers allow the circuit breakers to lifted away from the fuse block
the last jumper connects the common side of the relay back to the load side of the window breakers position to feed the window themselves.
A small amount of filing on side of male spades is needed to allow them to enter the fuse block, maybe . 050" removed?
Look at the breakers and their male contacts that enter the fuse block

The normally (n/c) contact is connected to the window feed via the key.
The alternate window feed is from the seat circuit which is always hot goes to the normally open (n/o).
Common goes back into the load side of the fuse block at the window position.
The coil of the relay goes to the map light (two wires + &-) Bare the wires at the lamp socket, solder & tape.

So whenever the "map" light is on the windows work!
If you open the doors, disarm the alarm remotely or manually turn on the left map light the windows work!



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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailer pkg,Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks... . Except snowplow!