powerstroke guy tells me ford is better than cummins TDR GUYS give me some ammo !!

[Gary - K7GLD]

"just ask him when the first scheduled rebuild is supposed to take place. "



Ya know, that seems to be a matter of interest and concern to many Dodge/Cummins owners - and IS a great point, at least to those who DO keep their trucks for a LONG time or put high mileage on them in relatively short periods of time...



BUT, fact is, the tendency of the VAST majority of ALL vehicle owners is to trade every few years, upgrading to the "latest and greatest" - and then all that touted and quoted engine life is merely passed on to the 2nd or 3rd owner - I'd venture to say that percentage wise in terms of actually WEARING out an engine to it's overhaul point, is extremely rare - here or among competing brands...



Of course, that also sorta makes ya wonder about the point of using the "best there is" oils, driveline lubes and various fancy filters, don't it!

 

[Neibe]

Next time pop his hood and show him on his valve cover it says LIGHT DUTY. Then show him your engine data tag on the timing gear cover says MEDIUM DUTY that should be enough.

 

[1 locomotive]

good stuff guys

ya I got him now !!! right on guys , thanks !!! ho ya did I tell you he"s my boss ( prick )

 

[fox]

If he is the Boss, you may want to just SMILE and say, we will see who trades first and the total cost of maintenance till that time! Then suggest comparing costs every 100,000 miles.

Remind him we have a long term engine.

 

[DieselMinded]

NAAHHHHHWWWWWWWWW



Just Drop Chains



DM

 

[TKingsbury]

I just went out and looked at one of our medium duty trucks with a T444E and on the valve cover it says;

"This engine has a primary intended service application as a light heavy-duty diesel engine and conforms to U. S. EPA, Canadian, and California regulations for 1996 model year and is certified to operate on diesel fuel. California certification is for new vehicles greater than 14,000 GVWR. "

This engine was designed from the get-go to be put in light and medium duty trucks. If it hadn't, why did Navistar partner with Ford and Cat to develop the H. U. E. I. injection system and this engine? I am not a die hard Cummins lover, I think most of the newer diesels are pretty good. I was merely stating that the Powerstroke (Fords name) is used in a lot of medium trucks as well. Next time you're passing a medium duy International, look at the hood. There is a very good chance it says T444E on the side.

Travis. .

 

[Neibe]

So what they used a light duty motor in a medium duty truck that's underkill. Dodge uses a medium duty in our light duty trucks that's overkill. I'll take overkill anyday. I wouldn't take a 22 and go hunt Bear.

 

[DKasper]

Aside from just plain liking the I-6 engine configuration, one of the biggest things for me is that the Cummins is MUCH cheaper and easier to work on. Injectors for the PSD are what? $2500 +? Working on the PSD is also a real pain -- there just isn't much room under there. I'm able to do the majority of work needed on my Cummins -- with help from you guys!



A friend had a 2001 PS and had nothing but injection problems with the oil-actuated injectors. Ford told him to change the oil every 2500 miles. That worked, but he wasn't very happy. He is now driving a 2003 Dodge Cummins and loves it.



I like Fords -- I've got a '76 F250 that is a great truck. A friend hauls hay out in central Utah -- he loads his PS up with a 25' trailer and 16k of hay and hauls it up I-15 to Salt Lake 3-4 times a week. That PS runs great -- I don't care for the high RPMs, but it sure gets the job done.



I've found it much easier to just smile at the PS owners and say "nice truck" than it is to try to get them to understand why we love our Cummins so much. If they drive diesels long enough, they'll figure it out on their own.





Dave

 

[dodge cummins]

hey kingsbury just to let you no the t444e isn't exactly the same as the 7. 3 in the superduty. when i used to own a 99 powerstroke i used to say the same thing and i learned the hard way. thats why i traded it for a 96 ctd and i love it. a couple of differences between the t444e and the 7. 3 powerchoke is there is thinner headgaskets in the 444e to create more torque at a lower rpm, you also have a 3 quart larger oil sump on the t444e which makes it hold 18 quarts verses 15 in the powerchoke. if you check with international you will also notice a higher compression ratio in the t444e which leads me to believe a stronger engine block. if you email international like i did 2 years ago they will give a page full of the differences like they did to me,its almost like they don't even like the powerstroke because it is definately the red headed step child of the diesel lineup. if i were to go with a international diesel i would go with their t466e because thats a real rig motor. if you want to stick up for powerchoke i respect you but you haven't done your homework like i have.

 

[TKingsbury]

Hey Neibe, if you read the post it says "light heavy-duty", that means medium duty. I was mearly trying to point out that this engine wasn't designed strictly as a light truck application, and while there are some differences between the Stroke and the T444E they are still basically the same engine. I am sure International doesn't want people to think they are the same because they don't want them to think their engine is junk just because they've heard all of the Powerstroke horror stories. To be 100% accurate, there are thousands and thousands of Powerstrokes in medium duty applications. They are called F450s and F550s. I am not necessarily defending them, I just thought some erronious info was being passed. I have no need or interest in pricing injectors for Strokes or the new commonrail motor, but I am sure you will find the commonrail injectors are quite high as well since they are the same basic type of injector. The cool thing about the heui engines is that you don't really need to upgrade injectors for reasonable power levels, just use a programmer. Wow, you would have thought I started a debate about evolution or abortion :-laf .

Travis. .

 

[DieselMinded]

Another Way ... and to get back on topic a little



ASk the PSD guys to acompany you to the local truck pull just to watch



When they see 25 CTD and 2 PSD and 1 DMD pull maybe they'll get it .



It may be the fact that the DMD bounces ATW off the track at 1/2 throtle



OR the PSD not getting half track AND NOT blowing any GOOD Smoke and alot of BAD smoke.



Not saying that there is not a PSD OR A DMD thats GReat just that The 1 truck of each thats good cannot travel the globe so every one can see them. As With A CTD just go to a farm pick the truck up turn a few screws and go to the track if the compition was fair its be a sure bet to trophy.



Ive Seen it done



DM --- the MED Duty CTD owner --- :>

 

[tURBOdIEZEl]

all ya gotta say to your phord buddy is this : what vechile manufacture is man enough to circle there mistake??? just kinda point at there blue oval on there grill. they will get the hint!

 

[Neibe]

Hey Klingsbury Light heavy duty doesn't mean medium duty. That doesn't make sense. There are 3 classifications of Heavy duty,light, medium and heavy. If you look at the F-650/750 they are medium duty trucks. The powerstroke is the standard engine the 5. 9ISB is an option. Option means better or premium right. Am I right.

 

[b_monty1]

I own a 2000 Dodge 2500 with a Cummins and I love it, wouldn't trade it for anything, my brother inlaw owns a 2001 prowerstroke, we both pull 5th wheel campers, mine is a 25 footer his is a 30 footer, last year we both went to Myrtle Beach for vacation and let me tell you, that powerstroke will outpull my Cummins, he would just walk off and leave me on the hills no matter how hard I tried to keep up with him and at that time I was running stock no Edge EZ.



So no matter what anybody says or thinks the Powerstroke is a hell of a engine but I would still buy a Cummins for two reasons 1. fuel economy and 2. reliability

 

[dodge cummins]

somebody has to post those pics of the connecting rods. from being a previous powerchoke owner i cannot see anyones reasoning for buying one. and kingsbury like i said if you contact international they will give specific differences between the powersmoke and the t444e. when i did two years ago about my 99 powerchoke they emailed me a page full of differences. for the last time they are not basically the same. if you want a international medium duty motor the t444e is a good choice and the t466e is much better. you cannot compare filet mignon with 80% ground meat (powerchoke). i originally bought the powerchoke because i did not educate myself on the matter and i paid for it in endless problems,not only the motor sucked but transmission,rear ,locking hubs, torque converter,airconditioning,amongst others things the truck really sucked :-laf

 

[Speedo]

There are several Fords that have been modified by their owners who have chosen to put 5. 9 Cummins engines in. I have never heard of any Dodge owners who have chosen to put a PowerStroke in their trucks.



Gus

 

[tURBOdIEZEl]

I have never heard of any Dodge owners who have chosen to put a PowerStroke in their trucks.

now us dodge owners got more sense then that, eh?

 

[DieselMinded]

Here Ya Go

THe Rod Pic NEw And OLD



Of course they will point out... ... That we only have 6 Big ones and they have 8 medium ones.



DM

 

[DPelletier]

I own a 2000 Dodge 2500 with a Cummins and I love it, wouldn't trade it for anything, my brother inlaw owns a 2001 prowerstroke, we both pull 5th wheel campers, mine is a 25 footer his is a 30 footer, last year we both went to Myrtle Beach for vacation and let me tell you, that powerstroke will outpull my Cummins, he would just walk off and leave me on the hills no matter how hard I tried to keep up with him and at that time I was running stock no Edge EZ.



So no matter what anybody says or thinks the Powerstroke is a hell of a engine but I would still buy a Cummins for two reasons 1. fuel economy and 2. reliability

Of course a 2001 7. 3 PSD will outpull a stock 2000 CTD ETC Auto. If he tried pulling against my '03 ETH, he'd be cryin' the blues! A much better comparison would be a 2001 ETH 6spd, which is a much better towing combo.



Dave

 

[JStraw]

My daughter and her boyfriend are Ford fanatics. We rib each other on a regular basis. But one day I had to tell him I submitt as I had read an article that stated 85% of all Ford trucks are still on the road. :{



The other 15% made it home. :-laf