Powerstroke owners are clueless

[Neibe]

Re: Think of it this way........

Originally posted by Johnboy3

The average diesel pickup owner is pretty much clueless as far as the extra knowledge that is gain on these sites. So, if the average guy is clueless, fifty percent of the diesel crowd are dumber then average. We all know that there have been around two million Powerstrokes sold so far, so that means there is around million dumbass diesel owners running around. How could you not cross paths with them all the time?

You got a point.

 

[Billy Diesel]

I've got a Dana 60 in the front and a Dana 80 in the rear an NV4500 in between in a 2500 you couldn't even get that in a F-350 until 1999

The new Dana 60's have shaft sizes in the Dana 44 range.



The Dana 80 in our trucks only have the 80 center section. The shafts are 70's.



Ford still has manual hubs, a plus in my book.



I would rather have the new AAM axle up front than my "small" 60.

 

[Smokin Dodge]

I have to agree with Johnboy3 I didnt know much about my CTD until i statred reading on these web sites.

 

[jelvington]

Between me, my uncle and 5 of my buddies that all drive diesels, me and my uncle are the only CTD owners. The other guys drive Ford crew cabs. They bought them over the Cummins because they have a large back seat and, at the time, were quieter running diesels than the Cummins. One of them traded his 7. 3 for a 6. 0 and I haven't seen it yet because it has been in the shop for a couple of weeks. He drove an '03 Cummins and still admits it is a better engine but he wanted the large backseat. With the trouble he has had from the 6. 0 from the start he is talking buyback from Ford.

Two of the guys still think that the powerjoke is better just becasue it is a V8.

 

[plongson]

Just wondering about the Ford powerstroke timeline... 7. 3's were the earlier motors... correct... and the 6. 0's are later model... When did they make the switch and WHY would they go to a smaller motor??? I am Ford diesel ignorant... but I love the old stuff

 

[Jeff Clark]

7. 3 replaced the 6. 9 back in the late 80's. The turbocharged 7. 3 came out in 94 and got the "Powerstroke" name in 95. The 6. 0 replaced the 7. 3 in 2003. Even though the engine is smaller, it has more hp and torque.

 

[plongson]

Originally posted by Jeff Clark

7. 3 replaced the 6. 9 back in the late 80's. The turbocharged 7. 3 came out in 94 and got the "Powerstroke" name in 95. The 6. 0 replaced the 7. 3 in 2003. Even though the engine is smaller, it has more hp and torque.

Thanks for the Ford Diesel info...



I have driven Fords for years, (and still do) cars, trucks, tractors etc. but it always puzzled me why they could never build one motor and stay with it, as in the case with the diesel debacle ie. 6. 9 to 7. 3 to 6. 0... . Look at the cubic inch lineup over the years and it makes you dizzy... Worst of all, most of the time the parts don't interchange or you have to be a wizard to figure it out...



272, 292, 312, 260, 289, 300, 302, 351w, 351c, 351/400m, 360, 390, 427, 428, 429, 460, 462... I bet I have missed some... Man I'm getting tired if typing, but I'm sure you get what I mean. .

 

[C. Harlan]

7. 3 replaced the 6. 9 back in the late 80's. The turbocharged 7. 3 came out in 94 and got the "Powerstroke" name in 95. The 6. 0 replaced the 7. 3 in 2003. Even though the engine is smaller, it has more hp and torque.

All the way up to 1994, All of the International/Ford Diesels were Naturally Aspirated, with indirect injection; meaning it had a precombustion Chamber. This in turn is why the earlier motors were quiet. In 1994, It was just labeled as a Turbo Diesel, Which was indirect injected diesel as well, with a turbo. That did not last long. In 1995, they introduced the Direct Injection Turbo Diesel, also known to you and I as the POWERSTROKE Diesel. I am not sure if they had glow plugs, but if so, why would you need them if you have no pre cup? It makes no sense, and I do not believe they do. I have noticed in some of the '00-02's, you do have to wait to start it. If it is supposed to be direct injected, what purpose does that serve? Oh well, I am not familiar at all with the six point oh lord, call the tow truck again, but would like to get acquainted with it once they work the bugs out.



-Chris-

 

[lmills]

Yeh they had glow plugs and as far as I know they still do

 

[bmoeller]

The PSD engines as well as the older IDI engines have glowplugs. They serve the same purpose as the grid heaters. On the PSDs (incl. the 6. 0L), the GPs are under the valve covers. They get used more often than the grid heaters do. They won't start without them unless the engine is warm enough. At least the ones I've been around won't. Think it is based on oil or water temp according to the ECM.

 

[rbarr]

The PSD uses oil pressure to fire the injectors and glow plugs help them to fire faster. Thats why the psd cranks for what seams like eternity (compared to our CTD's) to start. There feul system is reaLLY MESSED UP BUT IT WORKS. If u want to know more about how it functions let me know.

 

[JWhitcomb]

I had the pleasure this weekend of listening to a in-law family member tell me how his Ford does not need a e brake and stops his mid size fiver just fine. Then he said he was just a bit concerned because his truck needed new brakes all around at just 25K. This is the same guy who got a Ford instead of a CTD only because the Ford made less noise. Oh yeah, he said he sort of thought he should have waited and gotten a 6. 0. I am afraid I caused some family problems when I bust out laughing. And then to top it off his cousin who sells Fords proceded to tell him he stopped trying to sell 6. 0's to people. My gawd, an honest salesman!

 

[plongson]

To Dl5treez .....



GREAT JOB!!



You explained the PSD theory of operation wonderfully!!

 

[truckstom]

Originally posted by plongson

To Dl5treez .....



GREAT JOB!!



You explained the PSD theory of operation wonderfully!!

I second that..... thanks.

 

[WadePatton]

I was pretty sure before, but now that I've seen it in print, I'm POSITIVE that the Cummins idea is better.



Heard of a local 6. 0 blown. Engine and turbo had to be replaced. Don't know if this is the same guy that took off for AK in one. He might be in for a LOOOOOOONG trip. This is a small town, I will find out.



A guy boasted of his "ford order" the other day, I asked him if he got the 7. 3 or 6. 0 and you know it was the 6. 0. After 1/2 hour conversation, he was thinking about cancelling his order. He would have bought a Dodge but DID NOT want FOUR doors. He wanted Club/Quad cab. go figger.

 

[Scrappy]

pwr stroke

That is what I would call job security (that is until Ford goes bankrupt)

 

[lmills]

Well, most of the 6. 0 owners are also saying that it has no power below 1800 rpms. I wonder how the engine is performing in the international built trucks? If they are only running them up to 300 that makes for a short power range. Also makes for a lot of shifting 1800 -3000 then you are done

 

[adsharpe]

Re: I'm a PSD owner and I'm not clueless

Originally posted by Jeff Clark

I drive a PSD now and only for the full size back seat. In my defense, I had 3 Dodge/Cummins trucks before my Ford and my next truck will be a Dodge. The advantage that Ford has over Dodge is that Ford builds a better truck (I'm talking about the truck, not the motor). I know because I've owned both. If I had it my way I'd have a Cummins in my Ford. But since I don't want to go through the hassel and since Dodge finally has something that resembles a crew cab, I'm going back. There are people that drive all three brands that have no clue about what they drive.

Podner, the Dodge ain't really a crewcab. If you are over 5'6" tall, you gotta bend like a pretzel to get into the drivers seat. But the back seat has enough room to carry an umbrella. That's a plus.



In most places, you'll really know you have a Dodge when it's trade time. Course, they come out of the box cheaper.



Good luck with the new one.

 

[Jeff Clark]

That's alright. I'm only 5'6".

 

[TBrennan]

I'm 6'1" and I don't find the driver's seat any harder to get into than any other truck I've been in.



Also, I don't know why I keep hearing about Ford building a better truck. I think that is Ford marketing doing it's thing and why they outsell Dodge so much. What is about their ancient technology leaf springs (which they are going to abondon in favor of coils and links like Dodge 10 years ago), C channel frame, drivetrain, or spartan interior trim that makes people think they are "tougher"? It's just that Ford Tough image from the commercial in your head!



All trucks have the same pathetic sheet metal, crappy paint, and cheap plastic parts. The new AAM axles seem to be at least as good as their Dana counter parts. So why exactly is Ford a better "truck"?



My '03 handles better, drives straighter, and brakes better than any other truck I have driven.



If your going to complain about missing wheel well liners, hood insulation, or underhood light, give me a break. Spend $200 and get those things if you want.