Practical BOMBing

[azcummins]

Ok guys, I have a challenge for you. I'd like to see who can come up with the most PRACTICAL BOMB line up for my situation.

My situation
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I'm a 22 yr old college student who will be going into vet school within the next 3 yrs. I don't get to haul jack s^&*, which is a bummer; I drive my truck as a car. I have a 98. 5 24V 3500 4x4 5spd with 42 k miles on it. I change the oil every 3k and the fuel filter every 6k. I have a boost gauge and oil temp gauge. I'm going to get my bed sprayed with Rhino linings this week.

I'd like to keep this truck forever, but I don't want to keep it stock b/c BOMBing is so KEWL! so based on what you now know, what do you think is the most practical BOMB line up?

P. S. I have about 1k to spend.

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Archive]

<font color=blue>I would say your a perfect canadidate for an EZ(or VA and a boost module) + 275 injectors. I say this only because you don't tow anything so your clutch will last a while with this combo. The cost will be roughly $900 for those two products. If you go too high you have to worry bout the stock clutch.

Is the $1000 all you wanna spend? and How much power you want is the real question?<font size=-2>

[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 02-11-2001). ]

 

[Archive]

Geez... here I go again agreeing with Kat...

275 injectors, VA, and a practical Solutions boost module... If you have any left, go for an EGT gauge and eliminate your muffler!

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Rob Hanson
1999 "Big Red", 3500 SLT QC 4X4 6 spd, 4. 10 LSD, Braided SS fuel lines, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins E-Brake, Blue Box, DD3 Injectors, Banks High Ram and 14cm Wastegated Turbo, All-steel Cowl Induction Hood, Cummins RED Valve Cover, Rhino, Rosewood Kit, Scotty System, SportComp Gauges, TorkLift SuperHitch, Tekonsha Brake Controller, Rear Flood lights, Cobra CB, DeeZee Running Boards, BD 2WD Low kit, Air Lift bags, Hitco exhaust blanket, air horns and a Geno's "I tromped a Ford" decal. Member of BOMB! (WW NW Chapter)

MyPics.com (pics updated 01/20/01)

I'd rather be... .
Cummin than Strokin.

 

[azcummins]

Ooops... I forgot to say that I've dumped the muffler for the Geno's ME kit.

I like the Box + Injectors idea, but I'd like to keep the warranty intact. After 100 k, I'll have the box and injectors.

KatDiesel- Do you think that power is the right thing to go for? Do you think there is an accesory that would add longevity? Power sounds great as I got smoked by a Lincoln navigator tonight, but I don't haul anything so I'm not sure I need it. Unless of course you can convince me it is REALLY fun to have it...

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Archive]

Well thats the reason I recommend what I did. The injectors are easy on the warrenty. The EZ and VA plug in and unplug in mere minutes so there is no warrenty issue. Thats why I didn't recommend a "Fueling box" (PowerEdge, PowerMax, BlueBox).

That combo will be bout 265hp to 270hp (guessing), I had dyno figures laying around somewhere but I can't find them. Both of these products are not hard on the engine at all. Will the increas longivty? I can't say I wouldn't count on it. Keep in mind your cluth will last a while, but eventually it will start slipping.

And I misread your last post... . get an EGT gauge if you can. I jsut saw ya had some gauges so figured it was boost/EGT gauge.

Does that make any more sense?

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by azcummins:
Do you think that power is the right thing to go for?

Only you can answer this question for your situation. Noone else can, and yes its fun to have power but sometimes things break.

 

[azcummins]

KatDiesel-
An EGT is coming soon. I think it is good to make sure I don't shur the truck off when the turbo is still hot.

What do you mean that injectors are "easy" on the warranty?

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by azcummins:
What do you mean that injectors are "easy" on the warranty?

Well unless they pull the injectors and have them tested then they will never know they are 275's instead of the stock injectors. The EZ and VA unplug in minutes and leave no trace of being there. So I doubt you will have any warrenty problems, but I can't be 100% certain.

With what you were looking for and asking for I think that the above combo will address your needs (for now until ya want more #ad
). Or just try a EZ or VA alone and see if you like that... ... . but 275's + EZ or VA really flys.

 

[azcummins]

KatDiesel-
Flys eh? hmmmm... . I feel the bomb bug bitting... both..... esch... . STUDENT LOAN!!! STUDENT LOAN!!!

The warranty thing still bugs me though.

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Evan A. Beck]

For a grand, you can get a set of 275 injectors and a True Torque Power Module from Diesel Dynamics. The module is adjustable, and can be removed without any trace if you need to go in for warranty work. It has an integrated boost module as well.

Check out www.dieseldymanics.com to see a full range of products, prices, and dyno charts.

 

[Archive]

<font color=blue>azcummins -

Just so you know, a True Torque Power Module from Diesel Dynamics is basically an EZ Edge box programmed slightly different. They are both made by the same company. Just so you are not confused. On the DD version the first setting is timing only, where as on the EZ you don't have a "timing only" setting. Other then that they are nearly identical.

Try to find someone in your area with these mods and have them take you for a ride.

But let me warn ya, once you add power..... its hard to stop. #ad
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[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 02-12-2001). ]

 

[abledog]

I would listen to KatDiesel! I have a VA CPC,275's and 4 inch exhaust and my truck(35004x4 EHT/DEE) made 274hp on the dyno. If I hade it to do over I would go with the PE/EZ just to have the boost module built in.

 

[K_Arts]

Azcummins - Kat touched a bit on 275's not being bad on the warranty. Let me expand on that just a bit. Keep in mind the the 275 injectors are made my Bosch.

I have talked to a couple of guys that actually service the Cummins B5. 9 motor and our VP44 fuel pump. These guys have all said that the 275's can not void the warranty, being that Cummins actually uses Bosch parts on their engine. Not only that but 275's actually have the same part number as the stock injectors according to these guys. So honestly if a dealer pulls out your injectors, they would have to call a company that is a Bosch distributor to have all of the numbers on the injectors interpreted.

So you are about 99. 99% safe on your warranty. Just my $. 02

Hope this helps

Kev

 

[azcummins]

Evan-
The link that you gave me was bad.
How hard is the box to install? ( I take it it is just like all the others... . plug and errr... smoke tires?)



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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Rattlebox]

I just installed this setup (275's, VA, practical solutions boost module) In my ram on Friday and I love it ! I loved driving my truck before, but now it's like a whole new truck all over again ! I even installed th injectors myself (with some help from a couple buddies), The only tool that you may not have is a torque wrench for both inch and foot pounds (buddies helped out there). Besides that it was a piece of cake. Took me 3 hours. I just ordered my gauges yesterday.
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99 Quad CAb, short bed, 6 speed, 4. 10's, MIA Silencer ring, Amsoil Air Filter, VA CPC, Bosch 275's, Custom dual straight pipe exhaust with 5" tips

 

[azcummins]

Evan-
I found the appropriate link. Thanks.

Another ?... . since I'm not hauling anything, do think that those kits would allow a mpg gain?

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost and Oil Temp Gauges, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by azcummins:
Another ?... . since I'm not hauling anything, do think that those kits would allow a mpg gain?

<font color=blue>Its possible but I wouldn't count on it, because you'll keep your foot in the throttle more with the new fouund power. I would say your doing very good if your milage stays the same.

In regards to to the EZ (and DD True Torque since its the same box) one connection goes into the MAP sensor, you unplug the stock one, plug in the EZ, then reconect the stock one into the EZ plug. Takes bout 5 minutes the first time. Then the 2nd connection is into another plug that is "near" the fuel filter I think on 98. 5's its got a dummy plug in it, you remove it, plug in the EZ and wala..... more power. To remove simply unplug it all..... it was never there. #ad


The VA since it doesn't have its own boost module only has one connection. Directly at the fuel pump you unplug the connection and piggyback the VA into the connection. Then if you want you have to buy a seperate boost module to take advantage of more boost then stock which with both 275's and a VA you would want the addtional boost for cooling purposes. <font size=-2>

[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 02-12-2001). ]

 

[Evan A. Beck]

When I added my DD3's to my truck, the mileage went UP, and I get on it more than I did before. Seems like the mpg should go down, but that not the case. When I tested a VA on my truck for a week, the mpg went down by about 1-1. 5 mpg. Also, the VA caused a bit of a stumble, and it smoked quite a bit.

Yes, the True Torque Power Module is plug & go. Takes about 2 mins to install it.

 

[John]

Kevin, the Bosch 275 HP RV injectors DO NOT have the same part number as the OE injectors (ETC). Additionally, if DC got real picky they could void your engine and/or drivetrain warranty (although azcummins' drivetrain warranty is probably gone anyway).

azcummins, the Diesel Dynamics True Torque Power Module is produced by Edge Products to DD's custom specifications (for fueling and timing). Other than that, it's essentially the same as the Edge EZ. Both the Edge EZ and the DD TTPM are very easy to install.

Kat was right, how much extra power do you really want? In my opinion, I would favor the DD Stage 3 injectors or the Stage 2 injectors, possibly adding the TTPM at the same time or at a later date. I favor the DD Boost Module over the PS counterpart though. Adding the TTPM concurrent with the injector installation would save money on a boost module, as this function is already present in the TTPM and EZ.

Unlike Evan, I had real good success with the VA CPC on my '98. 5 ETC. It should be pointed out that Evan has an ETH (H. O. ) engine and was using a VA CPC that was designed for an ETC... I know this as the one he was using was the one I returned for warranty replacement. At the time I also had Bosch 275s installed. Unlike others, I experienced VIRTUALLY NO SMOKE with this combination. It should also be pointed out that I was using a Banks Stinger wastegate actuator instead of the replacement boost elbow (with bleed orifice) and a DD Boost Module. The addition of the boost module had NO impact on smoke as I ran this combination for several weeks prior to adding the DD Boost Module.

And lastly, I would hope the addition of a boost gauge and pyrometer are forthcoming prior to any engine enhancements.

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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps and accs. , Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s/DD Boost Module, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , DTT 93% TC, DTT custom tuned VB, BD modified trans. front pump (enhanced by DTT), Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

 

[K_Arts]

Originally posted by John:
Kevin, the Bosch 275 HP RV injectors DO NOT have the same part number as the OE injectors (ETC). Additionally, if DC got real picky they could void your engine and/or drivetrain warranty (although azcummins' drivetrain warranty is probably gone anyway).


John - I do understand that DC could void my warranty just for sittin in my truck wrong. . LOL, but why would a local Cummins Shop sell me these injectors and install them with that fine line of putting his butt on the line like that? I'm confused. As far as the part numbers, maybe is was just the particular core that he showed me, but he pulled out some 275 and stock injectors out in front of me to compare... and whoola... same numbers.

I am totally confused then???

Kev