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[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by ronsram1999

Is this oil a group III rated oil or a group IV rated oil?



If no one knows, does anyone have valvolines contact phone number?



Ron

Per their web site the new Valvoline is a group IV just like Delvac synthetic. Go up a few posts and check their web site if you like.

 

[hammersley]

ronsram1999 - check site.....

ronsram1999



Lots of data here at the referenced site:



http://www.valvolinehd.com/onroad/blue2000.html



Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme

Hi-Performance Synthetic Engine Oil

Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme is formulated with high-quality synthetic base-stocks and a boosted additive system. The hiperformance

synthetic technology meets the stringent demands of modern diesel including EGR (Exhaust Gas Re-circulation)

engines operating under standard and extended service intervals in a wide variety of service conditions. The unique Valvoline

formulation is field proven and delivers exceptional TBN retention, extended drain capability, enhanced fuel economy

potential over conventional oils, advanced soot control, outstanding viscosity retention and excellent all weather performance.

The hi-performance synthetic technology is designed to meet the most demanding needs of modern low-emission diesel

engines including 2002 EGR engines from Cummins, Mack, Detroit Diesel and others.



The Premium Blue Extreme Life Advantage

• Hi-Performance Synthetic Technology meets the most demanding requirements of modern EGR engines operating at

elevated temperatures, higher soot and higher acid levels in the engine oil.

• Boosted additive chemistry offers extended drain capability in modern diesel engines through exceptional TBN retention,

advanced soot control and outstanding viscosity retention.

• Superior synthetic base-stocks provide faster, safe starts during freezing weather and enhanced thermal properties for

hot weather operations.

• Unique formulation has enhanced fuel economy potential over conventional oils.

• Enhanced valve-train wear protection and reduced oil filter restriction at high soot levels.

• Reduced high temperature carbon buildup - both single and two-piece pistons - and ring/liner wear protection leads to

improved oil consumption control.

• Unique dispersive polymer technology (DPT) provides advanced soot control and outstanding engine cleanliness.

• Excellent oxidation, foam, and corrosion inhibition.



Formulated to meet

Cummins CES 20078, 20077, 20076

Volvo VDS-3

API CI-4 (proposed)

API CH-4

API SL

ACEA E-5

Global DHD-1

Typical Properties 5W40

Viscosity @ 40 C, cSt 90. 92

Viscosity @ 100 C, cSt 14. 7

Viscosity Index 169

CCS Viscosity @ - 30 C, cP 6300

Borderline Pumping Viscosity @ - 35 C, cP 22,000

High Temp. High Shear Viscosity @ 150 C, cP 4. 07

Pour Point, deg. C -39

Sulfated Ash, % 1. 6

Total Base Number (D-2896) 12

Foam / Aeration Tests Pass

* To determine your optimum maintenance interval, consult your owner’s manual or call Valvoline at 1-800-ALL-FLEET.

Results may vary based on environment, operating, and maintenance procedures.

Refer to Valvoline’s Material Safety Data Sheet for health and safety information.

Effective Date: Expiration Date: Replaces: Author's Initials: Code

05/20/2002 06/30/2002 NA MSS ******

 

[curatchko]

Also, in case anyone is interested,



There is a BIG BLUE CUMMINS LOGO on the front of these oil bottles.....



Nuff said for me!!



Chris

 

[Texas Diesel]

Woo Hoo!!

Premium Blue EXTREME 5/40 FULLY Synthetic for me and Mr. C.



Life is good



(Thanks for the UPC code, it's a big help)

 

[pwr2tow]

Thanks for the information. NAPA says they can order it in here for $11,?? per gallon.



Ron

 

[curatchko]

I hope this price isn't a mistake. I always run synthetic in my cars, but 12 quarts is a bit too much $$ for me to run it in the Dodge at 5-6 bucks a quart... . 11. 72 per gallon, on the other hand, I can tolerate.



I'd be a happy guy if I could run this oil the rest of the trucks life.



Chris

 

[Pit Bull]

I wonder now if this synthetic is the same type of synthetic as the new Rotella synthetic that just hit the market at about the same price?

 

[Pit Bull]

The one thing that my service manual stressed about oil for the CTD is a low Sulfated Ash. %. Rotella T 15w40 is 1. 4%, Valvoline Blue Extreme is 1. 4% and Rotella full synthetic is 1. 3%. This oil stuff is confusing

 

[pwr2tow]

Rotella T 5-40 synthetic is a group III oil meaning it is still a mineral base stock, the courts ruled it is close enough to synthetic to be called a synthetic, Not in my book though.



group IV oils are synthetic stock based and are true synthetics. Oils like Mobil Delvac I, amsoil, and now it appears valvoline extreme blue are of this type.



Ron

 

[A. Brown]

delo and a fleetguard every 3000k

 

[Cooker]

I am not so sure that this is a Group IV oil. Where does it state this on Valvoline's website? The statement, "Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme is formulated with high-quality synthetic base-stocks and a boosted additive system. " does not calssify it as Group IV. Shell is a Group III and this statement is taken from the Rotella website, "Because it uses the Shell synthetic base oil technology, ROTELLA® T"



The price alone should make one suspecious enough to question whether or not it is a Group IV oil.



I am not picking on the Rotella or the Valvoline (they are both great choices of oil to run in your Cummins), but I am just trying to point out the facts for those that are concerned about the Group III synthetic issue.



Does anyone have any more information on this issue?



Thanks,

Ryan

 

[pwr2tow]

cooker,



Very good point thats why I said appears to be group IV.



If this stuff turns out to be dino based I will stick with my Delvac I.



I think there was a phone number posted earlier, I will see if I can find it and call them and see what they have to say and post back later.



Ron

 

[pwr2tow]

Just got off the phone with a rep from valvoline.



Valvoline premium blue extreme is a group III oil, Dino base stock.



Looks like I will be staying with mobil Delvac I, a true synthetic.



Ron

 

[Cooker]

Thanks for getting that sorted out Ron.



One good thing is there are several choices of Group III oils now and they are all at a pretty decent price, but if someone wants the best synthetics they still come at a price.

 

[Pit Bull]

Ron good information, so it looks like Rotella synthetic and Premium blue extreme are about the same. They also cost about the same $11-13 gallon. Delvac 1 synthetic $21-23 gallon. Do you think that Delvac is twice as good?



Pour points

Rotella T 15w40 -15 F

Rotella synthetic -40 C ? F

Premium blue Extreme -45 C ? F

Amsoil 15w45 synthetic -47 F

Amsoil 5w30 synthetic -60 F

Delvac 1 synthetic -65 F



Where I live it might get down to -10 F one night out of the year. If you were going to run one of these oils 7,500 miles between changes with the Strapore filter and price "was" part of the equation which one would you choose?



All comments welcome

 

[WadePatton]

Interesting indeed

While I always used Mobil 1 in my gas burner--with change-it-when-I-feel-like-it intervals, I'm going dino here. I've been following all this oil stuff on TDR and have decided to use Rosmella with a dash of Lucas and change it at severe service intervals-which will be appropriate when the box gets here.



All this jumping up and down about mileage goes right out the window when you start dumping full-synth (whatever that means) out every 3k.



So that's my recipe for a happy-economical Cummins: #2 plus John Deere DFC, Fleetguard/Rotella/Lucas every 3k, and lotso BOOST.

 

[pwr2tow]

If I was to do it all over again I would probably go with an intermediate oil group III, by that I mean not full synthetic group IV or not plain dino group I and II .



No expert advice here but I did some novice fluid pour testing last fall with a 5-40 group III oil and 15-40 regular oil. The results were that the 5-40 group III poured three times faster at -8 degrees (if I remember correctly on the temperatures) than the 15-40 did at 5 degrees above zero. A very substantial difference in my opinion.



This was basic high school science and many other factors could come into play that could change the results but it proved to me that the 5-40 poured faster and hence should pump faster through the engine. One thing that really surprised me was according to their respective pour points on their data sheets the 15-40 had a lower pour point.



A persons driveing habits is what should determine which oil to go with and which drain interval. Your owners manual is the best advice and what you feel comfortable with.



Ron

 

[curatchko]

Well for what it's worth, I'm sticking with the Group III Synthetic from Valvoline. It's 10 bucks cheaper a gallon and it'll work better than standard dyno oil.



Chris

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by curatchko

Well for what it's worth, I'm sticking with the Group III Synthetic from Valvoline. It's 10 bucks cheaper a gallon and it'll work better than standard dyno oil.



Chris

Chris based on the great information all of you guys provide, I think for my purpose I have to go with You and Ron. I want the better flow that the Group III gives but can't justify the cost of the Delvac 1. I'm going with the Rotella synthetic so it is the same Manufacture that I have been using. It will make me feel better then if I change back to Rotella T in the summer.

 

[hammersley]

Thanks guys for all the good "poop"

Hey I learned a lot - I didn't know the group III vs group IV, nor the data about the definition of Synthetic, but now I know. Have researched it a bit further since. I really enjoyed ronsram1999 points on his experiment and I agree that the group IV's are probably better however I think their cost is beyond the point of diminishing return, and in my opinion, not a good investment.



NOW don't yell - I could spend the additional $$ for the group IV's, but quit frankly I think it's overkill, and not worth the additional cost. My logic tells me that once you've went past group III, and a 5W-40, you have to double your cost for very little benefit, if any at all. Now I know some folks have a great piece of mind by using the group IV's, and that's great. Also if you live where temp's get below -25, then their use IN THE WINTER, may be a good idea. I'd like to see a video of several of these oils at -40 and show us what they do. Let's have somebody do that this winter..... In my opinion, Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme, maximizes the benefit/cost ratio. Let's be realistic, if you wanted to minimize your wear and tear, you'd never floor the beast, exceed 1500 RPM or 55 mph AND while you'e at it, you'd change the oil weekly!