Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Propane OK...What about Hydrogen?

[DCMille290]

For anyone interested or just curious, I found this company and a very interesting product called Hydro-Gen. Actually produces Hydrogen that assists in combustion.

Price isn't bad and has a 100% satisfaction guarantee.

Check it out, and see what you think. I'd appreciate some feedback.



http://www.savefuel.ca/members/904335/hydrogen.htm





Thanks,

DC Miller

 

[SRadke]

So we're using our fuel to generate electrical energy to create hydrogen from water (through electrolisis I assume) which then can be used in the engine. Why not just put all that energy to the drivetrain in the first place and skip the hydrogen step? Anybody wanna take a guess at how much power it takes to run that 200 amp alternator on his RV? Plus his 4kw generator?



-Scott

 

[paulb]

So we're using our fuel to generate electrical energy to create hydrogen from water (through electrolisis I assume) which then can be used in the engine. Why not just put all that energy to the drivetrain in the first place and skip the hydrogen step? Anybody wanna take a guess at how much power it takes to run that 200 amp alternator on his RV? Plus his 4kw generator?



-Scott

I agree Scott. That's the whole problem with hydrogen fuel cells.



Paul

 

[WestTN]

Those claims are so wide ranging and so many 'coulds' and 'mays' that I doubt you would ever be able to sue them when it didn't work, and I'll bet it wont. If it were this simple it would have been done long ago. That thing will never generate enough hydrogen to make a change you could see or even measure. A cubic inch of hydrogen a minute would probably be a lofty goal from this thing and that amount wouldn't begin to fill a cylinder enough to replace half of the fuel which you would have to do to get 20mpg from it. And at 2000 rpms, you will fire 6000 cylinders full per minute.



What sounds too good to be true usually is just that. This will eventually die just as al the other miracle gizmos did.

 

[DBrickel]

Well I'm glad there are people out there looking for the "next best thing", but I am not going to your guinea pig. I'll let others do that and after its proven check back with me .

 

[DCMille290]

I guess for it me it seems very interesting that people are trying to invent a process of using such an abundant material as Hydrogen.

I saw on the Discovery channel BMW has a 230 hp engine, built from scratch that runs on pure Hydrogen and goes 180 mph. It was a pretty impressive looking engine and car. Now, if we just had Hydrogen filling stations on every corner.



DC Miller

 

[moolie]

plutonium like back to the future or was that uranium

 

[RustyJC]

I guess for it me it seems very interesting that people are trying to invent a process of using such an abundant material as Hydrogen.

If elemental H2 were abundant, we'd be using it. Free elemental (pure) hydrogen is almost never found in nature - it almost always exists in a compound. Accordingly, we would have to obtain it from H20 by electrolysis (that takes electricity) or produce it from CH4 (where's the advantage in that - just burn the methane!) or other hydrocarbons. That's why most engineers don't consider elemental hydrogen to be a fuel - rather, it's more like an energy storage medium.



Rusty

 

[CMorrow]

AS it stands now, it takes more energy to convert/make Hydrogen then is gotten out. In other words we burn more Oil and make a lot of pollution just to get the end product. You watch, as the cost of Oil/Gas goes up, we'll start seeing a renewed interest in Nuclear generation. Fuel cells are still way to big and costly to be of benefit.

 

[sack]

As you know there are many obstacles to generating hydrogen gas. Although my background is in biology and not chemistry, I did have to slog through it a bit. As you guys were commenting, electrolysis is one of the most effective methods of creating hydrogen gas, unfortunatly, you have to use electricity to to this. There are however several new technologies that are bieng researched which allow more efficient production of hydrogen gas. Check http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002315.html

it has a few good articles and a few good links in the comments section. I would suspect that within the next few years, we will see an abundant way to produce hydrogen gas, and when that happens, fossil fuels will likely go out the door. The good thing about Hydrogen, besides it doesn't pollute, is its extremely high energy potential. For a small amount of hydrogen, you can create a hell of a lot of energy. The only problem is you have to keep it in gas form, which limits its efficiency in the sense that you can only put so much in a tank. The alternative to that would be making a liquid, but the refrigeration and pressure needed to sustain a liquid state would far outweigh any benifits conffered. Either way... that Hydrogen booster thing is a piece of s**t and most definitly is not worth the money. Save your $$$ until real technology comes out. It may take a few years but I suspect it will be well worth it.

 

[GKinney]

my $.02

Personally I don't think we will see any big non-fossil fuel discoverys for awhile yet. Do you actually think the "big" oil companys will let such a thing on the market and lose their trillions of $$ in income, well unless they hold the patent on it, then the technology will be abundant everywhere. Kind of like diesel fuel being much more expensive than gasoline. Can anyone remember 30yrs. ago when it was only about half the price of gasoline??? Yes I know the diesel now is so much better quality. Ya right!!! Seems funny when all the diesel powered cars and trucks came out, up went the price. Well hope things change soon and put the money hungry oil people in the dumpster before we all are paying $10/gl. for fuel. Oh then we have the EPA to think about too!!! Who owns who here?????

 

[sack]

I agree with you in a way GKinney, I think we're going to see most of the big discoveries coming out of europe and south asia. These are economies who pay a lot more for gas then we do... in england, about a year ago when I was there it was something like 50 pence a liter, thats almost four bucks a gallon. I think there is a lot of independant research, and university research which the oil companies can't touch. If someone comes out with a viable technology, I think it will be extremely difficult for oil companies to not use it.

 

[GKinney]

exactly

I remember reading in popular science many years ago when a company developed a small gas turbine engine that was tested in a mid-size four door car that made 500hp. and still got 50mpg. Well guess who shut that project down, the EPA. Go figure one of the most efficient engines on earth and it wasn't burning clean enough?? Well enough of the politics, I will keep puffing black smoke until it takes my pay check to fill 'er up with fuel, then it will be a horse and buggy for me. haha. Interesting though the possibilities that are out there, and the many we don't know about.

 

[onstottc]

I have a glowing keychain that is powered by Tritium.

 

[JWBoothe]

A great solution would be to produce hydrogen via electrolysis powered by nuclear generation. Nuclear generators now have extensive protection schemes to keep them stable and undercontrol. They are quite safe. Unlike some other forms of generation, nukes like to cycle up to a certain MW output and stay there for long periods - perfect for electrolysis production.



And as far as waste - which is better coal or oil emissions contributing to acid rain and global warming or a small amount of spent fuel rods sealed in a cement tomb 5miles down? I believe as nuclear reactions (especially fusion!!!) are better understood, this is where we will turn to for bulk consumer power (and perhaps to make hydrogen).



Since our government will not look for these alternatives, hopefully the private sector will.

 

[sack]

The problem with nuke energy is that its not neccesarily the waste you have to worry about. The mining needed to get plutonium and uranium are fairly horrible. I forget the name of the mine, but one of the biggest is in Australia, and its a damn environmental nightmare. The other problem that is even if you bury the waste, it will leak, and these leaks can be crippling to the environment if they find there way into the water table. Unfortunatly, I think its going to be status quo for a while, at least until fuel becomes so expensive that a change is forced by the public.