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One good thing (and there's not that many) of living in CA is we have this great renewable fuel company. I have been running their biodiesel for about 5 years now in 97'. I guess I'm kind of a geek still when it comes to innovation like this, but this new fuel is kinda cool. They really strive to keep the prices about $.10 under the fossil fuel prices, and have a great app to show you all the prices around town. I will report back with MPG figures once i establish a good average, but the preliminary figures are really promising as to it's quality.

View attachment DieselHPR_Fuel_Specification.pdf
 
I think he means he ran their bio-diesel for 5 years and is now running their HPR. I've heard good things as well, we'll see how it pans out.
 
Filled up first time with Propel HPR today. Note the aromatics content (1) in the spec sheet. This is very dry fuel with almost no lubricity, w/o addtives. I have never trusted suppliers to mix in lubricity additive correcty and the last time I checked there was no federal or state verification regimen for lubricity. All we have is supplier promises. The wear scar limit for engine makers is 520,while Bosch recommends max 460. Propel states on their website that they additize to reach 460. They are a very good company but I will beware and continue to run 1-2% bio with HPR, same as I have done for ULSD. 1 quart of B99 for each 10-15 gallons of fuel pumped does the trick. The high cetane and low emissions numbers for HPR are pretty impressive.
 
We've got a station dispensing HPR here now. I might give it a try.
Pumped 23 gallons in there today. Not a fair test but I'll run this through and do a fillup next time $2.53/gallon.
 
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I would love to see some info on how this stuff is made.

Comparing it to other known alternative fuels The leftover meth in Biodiesel production causes the most issues with hoses and lift pumps. Followed by lower storage life bugs in fuel issues.

I really wouldn't experiment with this fuel on an expensive injection system and engine like ours... But think of the risk and cost to fix it - replace everything from the fuel tank to the injector tips including the injection pump and hope injection system failure/damage doesn't hurt the engine. I suggest double checking your insurance coverage as some companies will weasel out of covering damage from bugs in fuel.

Just saying it isn't a decision to take lightly of using this alternative stuff.
 
http://www.hybridcars.com/california-is-smiling-on-renewable-diesel-hpr-fuel/

Not to be confused with biodiesel which Propel also sells, Diesel HPR is the first highly concentrated North American offering of a Finnish-originated product called NExBTL

https://www.neste.com/en/companies/products/diesel-fuel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEXBTL

NEXBTL diesel is produced in a patented vegetable oil refining process. Chemically, it entails direct catalytic hydrogenolysis of plant oils, which are triglycerides, into the corresponding alkanes. The glycerol chain of the triglyceride is hydrogenated to the corresponding C3 alkane, propane — there is no glycerol sidestream. This process removes oxygen from the oil; the diesel is not an oxygenate like traditional transesterified FAME biodiesel. Catalytic isomerization into branched alkanes is then done to adjust the cloud point in order to meet winter operability requirements. As it is chemically identical to ideal conventional diesel, it requires no modification or special precautions for the engine.[1][2]

Just saying it isn't a decision to take lightly of using this alternative stuff.
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I haven't ever heard of this stuff, sounds promising and I think I'm going to have to do a little research on it. Im all for non-petroleum fuels.

An intersting comment I found on the TDI forums:
Just filled up with HPR near Elk Grove earlier today while doing some Pick-n-Pull parts shopping.

Definitely has a small increase in power/response. Does absolutely smoke less. I've got oversized injectors on loan in my B4 sedan at the moment and they do smoke no matter what. The difference is noticeable. I've only got 80 miles on the tank so far. No telling what the difference in Fuel economy will be until I've run the complete tank through. Mileage up until this point hasn't been great lately, though. Usually stuck in traffic, hauling a lot more weight than the average driver both in terms of heavy tools and hauling people, often times at the same time.

I used to run B20 regularly in my old Mk3 about 10 years ago. But since I did go on long trips back then, I would have to switch between regular diesel (most states were just transitioning to ULSD at the time) and B20 at my usual haunts in Michigan. The pump inevitably started leaking.

In the meantime as someone who wrenches a lot of TDIs, I have noticed a number of common issues on biodiesel. The way the seals swell on biodiesel is very uneven. And in fact they swell too much, in my opinion. In California, most of our biodiesel uses waste vegetable oil as a basestock. I've definitely seen a number of cars run regularly on the stuff have some nasty varnish-like build up inside the fuel system.

I purchased a 2005 Passat wagon a couple years ago for cheap, only had 80k miles on it, because the owner ran it on B100 almost exclusively. I have a stack of receipts totalling the amount of around $15,000 in repairs, many of which were to address a "vibration" issue from the engine. Injectors were replaced, balance shaft module changed to the gear driven unit, new cam and followers, new OEM axles, engine mounts, transmission, new injectors, new injector harness.

The real problem? The injectors (again). The openings for fuel inlet on the PD injectors are quite small and clog up fairly easily on sub-par fuel. To make matters worse, PDs basically cook the fuel before it even gets to injectors. Conventional biodiesel could often times break down before getting to the injectors in these engines. I replaced the injectors again in the car and it took care of the issue. While I was there, there was definitely a notable brown varnish in the passageways in the head that feed the injectors.

I've seen too many issues and oddities happen from running biodiesel, especially California biodiesel. The stuff I had in the Mid West was made from virgin soybean oil, that stuff was decidedly better.

Either way, my experimentation with that particular form of renewable diesel ended. Once I resealed my first injection pump on my own TDI back in 2006, I decided to keep things simple for my daily driver and reduce the amount of issues, I would keep running it on regular diesel from then on.

I've told many customers that I personally like the concept behind biodiesel, but the product itself tends to be sub-par. This new HPR stuff, on the other hand, has my attention. The end product seems a lot like the "synthetic" diesels out there that likely utilize the Fischer-Tropsch process of turning gas to liquid. The gas can be anything from natural gas to a gassified biomass. Very high quality, clean and super high cetane. And also much closer to the type of fuel manufacturers designed their engines for in the first place. Conventional biodiesel, not so much...

So, for those of you with issues having leaking pumps, that's the same issue you'd have switching to ULSD from bio. This confirms to me that chemically, HPR is more similar to conventional diesel. This is something I personally would prefer, as the seal swelling I've seen from re-sealing a number of biodiesel running injection pumps, is not natural. The chemical reactions caused by conventional biodiesel is not doing your fuel system internals any favors. And again, ULSD is what manufacturers designed the engines for in the first place. You want a renewable fuel that's going to give you fewer issues than biodiesel will and also allow you to seamlessly switch to ULSD when necessary? Here it is. HPR.

No washing down of cylinder walls causing fuel dilution of engine oil. No unnatural over-swelling of seals. No coking injector nozzles, no coking injector inlets on PDs or varnish. No issues with soot and ash loading in commonrail DPFs. In fact, from the lower amount of smoke I've seen out of the back of my B4 with oversized injectors, there should be less regens necessary on a DPF-equipped commonrail due to the smaller amount of soot created in the first place.

This is the type of renewable I personally have been waiting for.
 
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I'm all for alternative fuels too, until I find that they get federal funds to prop them up. Non petroleum fuels will become a true alternative when, and only when, they can compete on a level playing field with traditional fuel.
 
I'm all for alternative fuels too, until I find that they get federal funds to prop them up. Non petroleum fuels will become a true alternative when, and only when, they can compete on a level playing field with traditional fuel.

And we do not subsidize the oil companies with giant tax breaks, cheap permits to drill and other ways????????????????
 
Interesting more info is now available about the HPR fuel.

The "Brown Varnish" the TDI owner running B100 speaks of is actually residue from bugs in the fuel. Yes, it looks like burned fryer oil and is the 1st thought you have, but, it's things growing in the fuel leaving a slime in the system. As fungus, bacteria, and mold are smaller than your fuel filter filters out they get everywhere in the fuel system. So no, it's not from "cooking" the fuel! Things are growing in it. Just look up how Biodiesel is made - it's literally cooked.

The cure is a fuel sample to see what is growing in the fuel and a biocide to kill it. (Gasoline will kill diesel bugs, but, it's rough on the engine.) Then a fuel system cleaner you run from a 5 gal pail. ULSD is also more prone to bug infection than LSD was, but, all kinds of oils can grow bugs.
 
And we do not subsidize the oil companies with giant tax breaks, cheap permits to drill and other ways????????????????

Corporate welfare is the sad state of affairs in our Country today. Which party is responsible depends on which industry we're talking about, however we'd have to be giving out permits to drill on Federal land before we talk about how cheap they were.
 
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yeah to be fair we heavily subsidize the price of petroleum fuels in the US which is exactly why its so hard for renewables to compete!

Id love to see this country move towards renewables. They just make sense. Hopefully HPR is a big step towards that goal.
 
I went through that info. They seem to categorize accelerated depreciation and capital gains as subsidies. Many businesses use accelerated depreciation for capital purchases on equipment. They also reference expenditures for exploration and fracking. Imagine having to amitorize 6 months worth of expenses over 5-7 years. You'd go broke in short order. As far as capital gains, it's offered to individuals as well as corporations in many areas that involve land investments. These include gravel and stone quarry leases as well as timber sales and turf leases to name a few. It doesn't seem like a subsidy to me. When you make long term land investments it's no different than stocks or bonds. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of multi million $ grants or loan guarantees for solar, wind or bio. Not to mention per gallon payments to bio fuel producers. That's truly subsidizing an industry.
 
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I just found HPR at my local Shell station, right next to the regular diesel pump. Yesterday it was 16 cents cheaper. Used some 2 weeks ago, about 7 gal. Ran fine and a guy at the opposite pump said he had been running it for a while with no problems. Will give it a try but mixed with ULSD. After the first fuel filter change will open one to see what is inside.
 
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