pulling a backhoe

[Rman]

You'd really shoot a guy for towing a backhoe? I can honestly think of nothing more ridiculous at the moment. And people wonder why gun rights are under attack, whack jobs like this guy following people with loaded pistols certainly give the anti-gunners something to crow about now don't they?

 

[CFast]

bombero WTF are you talking about? you start your story in the middle and don't go into detail real well. What was the guy pulling the trailer with, a ford ranger?

 

[bombero]

Well, maybe I made a point. Sure you can pull a very heavy load with your CTD but is it designed for that? NO. The story I tried to articculate was true, except I dont think I would Have shot him. Look, if you guys want to pull really heavy loads in your business, good. Just do it with the right equipment. A pickup is not the proper towning vehicle. Have you ever heard of air brakes?? I hate all the reg here in Calif but if you tried to tow heavy the CHP would be all over you! PS I have two beatiful granddaughters out on that road so... PSS what is worst, having a loaded firearm or draging a 40,000 lbs backhoe down the public road with no brakes???

 

[ndurbin]

Whoa there bombero, your going after somebody who is asking a question about towing something responsibly and correctly. But your going to chase somebody you come across on the highway (that you don't know squat about) down with a loaded gun and SHOOT them for towing heavy? That makes alot of sense.



Nathan



PS... ..... if your so scared about them being on the road... ... ... take them everywhere yourself

PSS... ... ..... in this case you with a loaded firearm would be much more dangerous

 

[bombero]

nurbin: Now I really feel bad. The John Fonda/Michael Moore campaign will probably use me as a poster boy> Poor me.

 

[NIsaacs]

bombero, who said anything about 40,000lbs or no brakes? A good tandem axle dually trailer is good for 20,000lbs and the Dodge pickup is rated for 9-11,000lbs depending on the model. That is about 30,000lbs. CFast's load is about 27,000lbs, over the factory rating, but with proper license, fine with the DOT. I have hauled heavier loads than that in your state with no problems, however I did get a ticket for no muffler at the Tehachapi port of entry one time



If you happen to take your beautiful granddaughters with you on a trip, I would suggest you leave your handgun at home. In a road rage incident like this, the other party might shoot back! I will take my chances on the backhoe hauler





"NICK"

 

[CFast]

"Well maybe I made a point". No, not really. You didn't give enough detail.

Yes I've heard of air brakes. Do you think every truck out there that pulls heavy loads has air brakes? Ever looked at a Freightliner FL 50 or 60. Lots of them have hyd brakes and tow heavy loads. Yes they have larger rotors and calipers than the Ram.

I wanted to know if it could be done and how. Of course I want to be safe, that's why I'm asking all these questions. I'm planning on an exhaust brake. If I feel it's an unsafe situation then I'll get a dumptruck. Right now I don't even know how to drive a backhoe. I'm going to buy one and learn to use it on my dad's ranch for a year before I even start a business.

Bombero take a deep breathe and relax. I have 2 kids under a year old and I don't want some jacka$$ shooting at me because I'm pulling a backhoe. I'll stay out of Santa Rosa.

 

[MMiller]

My F650 is licsenced for the same wieght that I haul on my Pickup/goosneck combo. The F650 has vacumn over hydralic brakes on it, and only 4 of them. My company bought them this was so we did not have to get air brake CDL's. Probably a cheaper truck as well. My truck and trailer has 8 brakes on 12 tires. I guess I don't understand the problem. I have to drive each one the same. The service truck is brand new and can get out of shape almost as easily as the truck/trailer.



Michael

 

[BCobain]

A large number of guys here in Colorado tow cars for the dealerships. They tow 3 cars on a trailer called a "Take Three". i'm going to guess that their loads range from 15k to 20k load+ truck. they have to stop at all DOT weight stations and I think they don't have to have a CDL though. In Colorado the GCWR is a 28,800 without a CDL. All the guys had Exhaust brakes and they said the hills were no problems (7% grades). They did say they had to obey they 35mph max speed downhill though. Just follow at a long safe distance, get a exhaust brake and invest in some bullet proof glass like the president.

 

[CFast]

invest in bullet proof glass, why whatever do you mean? hehehehe :-laf

Yeah, i'm planning on the ex brake now. In CA I belive it's 26,000lbs and up for a CDL. No big deal, just have to pay the FEDS.

 

[CFast]

Well I finally got my backhoe and it weighs in at just over 14,000 lbs, says the CAT dealer. Any suggestions on a trailer? I saw one gooseneck that used a triple axle rated for 9tons and had a tilt bed. It looks like a HEAVY duty car trailer, the bed sits between the tires, not over them. Any suggestions on a trailer? Thanks

 

[Black-Smoker]

The trailer you are looking at is to small you need a 10 ton gooseneck. Remember that you have to add in the weight of the trailer. I never like to max out my trailers because it always leads to problems with bearings or tires. Also try to stay away from a triple axle setup if you plan to use it alot. Every time you turn a corner the tires on the third axle get drug sideways killing the life of the tires and the wheel bearings.

 

[NIsaacs]

I agree with the ten ton gooseneck, in a tandem axle dually. Keep in mind a trailer of this size is heavy so keep the length down. You will want to place the rear axle of the backhoe about center over the trailer axles. This will depend on your tow vehicle, SRW or DRW. If you set the front bucket on the gooseneck you can get by with a shorter trailer, if you set it on the deck you will need about a 24 foot deck. Get one with about a four foot beaver tail with fold-down ramps. You can set the rear bucket on the beaver tail, this will help keep the boom height down. Also try and get one with the heavy duty 10,000 lb axles, they will have 12. 25" X 4" brakes. Standard duty will have 12. 25" X 3-3/8". The trailer you mentioned will be too narrow for the placement of the backhoe between the fenders.



"NICK"

 

[CFast]

Thanks for the advice. The only reason I looked at the triple axle was because the deck was so low to the ground.

 

[RCoers]

I pull a 8. 5 ton bull dozer with as 2500 2001 dodge 4x4 automatic and have no problems. Truck is stock, trailer is dual tandem and truck tires are load range E Michliems. I like to load the trailer to put a fair to heavy amount of weight on the truck. Pulls good with no sway but I don't pull fast because even with new brakes and magnets on the trailer it doesn't stop as well as I would like for it to.

 

[CFast]

here's my truck pulling my backhoe. Pulls it great and stops just fine without an exhaust break. I only pull on 2 lane country roads and I only go 40-50 mph depending on the road condition. Loading it is scary. Whoever desinged the ramps on that trailer is a jackass, they're too steep. The picture looks alot better in my readers rig gallery

 

[PatrickCampbell]

Did you get a chance to weigh it? What is the rating on those 16. 5 " Tires or are you back to 16's ?

 

[CFast]

I haven't weighed it. I know the truck weighs 7200 lbs with a full tank and no one in it. The trailer weighs 5500 lbs empty. Cat lists that backhoe between 14,000 and 15,000 lbs. I got rid of the 16. 5's and bought 16's. I run 305/70/16 nitto terra grappler's. They're load range E and I think each tire is rated at 3495 lbs. I'm guessing I have about 1500 lbs on the truck because it's not touching the upper overload spring yet. I had 1800 lbs of concrete mix in bags and that just made the overload springs touch the upper stops. These trucks can handle A LOT of weight. The GVWR on the door of the truck is 8800lbs and the truck wieghs 7200lbs. That only leaves 1600lbs of cargo. 1600lbs doesn't even touch the overload springs, and barely makes the ride smooth!

 

[PatrickCampbell]

The grapplers are only LR D. If you only have 1500 lbs pin weight on the truck something is not loaded right. Keep in mind a 20,000 lbs gooseneck should put around 5000 lbs on the truck! Anyway... enjoy and be safe

 

[TNowak]

I pull a cat 420d 4 wheel drive on a tandam trailer with a single axle international dump with a DT466 in it. There is no doubt in my mind that your cummins can pull it. I know the power is there but my issue would be speed and bumps. Ive hit some rough spots in the expressway doin about 60 mph and I almost thought I was going to lose it. My suggestion is to go for it, just be leary about your speed and large bumps. It might get a little hairy.

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