pulling const equipment questions

[mjoppie]

hello all, i have a 98 3500 ( the heavier gvw) and was going to be using it to bring home equipment to work on my house project. has anyone hauled that much weight on these a lot? the D4 dozer is about 19,000lbs and the backhoe is about 17,000lbs. i just converted my auto to a stick and i think it has plenty of power to do what i want. the trailer is a 3500lb big tex tandem doolie. i have hauled trucks and smaller equipment around on it before (about 8000lbs) and it did awsome, and thats before the mods. is there any legal issues hauling this much weight with my pickup? ( about 30,000lbs) just curious because im towing through big citys and dont want trouble with the law.







thanks a bunch



matt

 

[IC Smoke]

Matt

The mighty CTD will handle the backhoe, at work we haul ours (backhoe) with a 95 GMC 6. 5 4x4 1 ton dually with a gooseneck corn-pro 35' dovetail Tandem Dual. It gets it around but not very quickly so im sure you will be able to handle it with ease



Im not 100% but as long as there isnt any company name on the equipment/truck/trailer I think you can side by without a CDL. Just tell em its for "farm use"



The trailer is NOT a gooseneck correct?



Ian

 

[SRadke]

If you get in a wreck and hurt someone you'll be liable for exceeding your GVWR but it will handle it fine. Be cautious of your inability to stop though



-Scott

 

[mjoppie]

the equipment has the company name on it, but my trucks a personal truck. it is a gooseneck im using too. i knew the backhoe would be fine (416 cat) but its the dozer i was worried about. my uncle does it but i just wanted to make sure i was legal hauling it, besides the gvw. i do have a chauffer licence too with a paper cdl. i just figured i would check before i did it.

 

[juicedcummins]

My D4d only weighs less than 15k with the blade. The newer one with a cab would be a little heavier.

 

[bombero]

I followed a person hauling a hevery load for 100+ miles from Bragg Wo to Craig Co. Thank god I didnt kill him. I wouldnt be here now. We were on our cell phone and a smokey pulled him over in Craig. His rig sat there for several days. I hope it was a good lesson

 

[woodsrat]

A buddy of mine pulls a opencab D4 with his single wheel 1 ton. Just check your tralier brakes before you need them a quick stop is not an option.

 

[Cooker]

As mentioned, there is the legal issue of exceeding your GCWR as well as your maximum trailer weight rating.



Is your Gooseneck hitch rated for 25K pounds?



You do not need a CDL for non-commercial use.

 

[mjoppie]

i think its a 10 ton, maybe its not quite that heavy but thats what it said on the plate. im going to try and get a D3 hystat instead but if not ya know.



cooker what do you think about our little project on 28th?



what office do you call to get county building codes? got to decide soon what to do.





matt

 

[BStoecker]

As mentioned, there is the legal issue of exceeding your GCWR as well as your maximum trailer weight rating.



Is your Gooseneck hitch rated for 25K pounds?



You do not need a CDL for non-commercial use.

I think you may want to do a little reading before you go off and follow this advice. Anything over 26,000 gross requires a CDL if I read the Michigan Revised Code correctly... The law says nothing about it being commercial vs. non-commercial. I think it breaks it down that if your truck gross is over 10k, or your truck/trailer combo is over 26K, you need to have the endorsement. Of course, they make this about as easy to understand as thermodynamics and nobody at the Michigan secretary of state can give you a straight answer either...

 

[Babyfat]

matt



i'd pm lawdog to see for sure IMO

 

[Cooker]

I think you may want to do a little reading before you go off and follow this advice. Anything over 26,000 gross requires a CDL if I read the Michigan Revised Code correctly... The law says nothing about it being commercial vs. non-commercial.

I try to do my research before giving advice.



Here is a quote directly from the Michigan Sec. of State regarding who needs a CDL:



"Any Michigan resident who intends to operate the following commercial vehicles is required to have a commercial driver license:



Single Vehicles - Having a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)* of 26,001 pounds or more.



Combination Vehicles - Towing a trailer or other vehicles with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more when the gross combination weight rating (GCWR)** is 26,001 pounds or more. "



Here is the link to this information: http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_8666_9060-21609--,00.html







mjoppie,

The 28th project is a PIA, not to mention all the other construction going on around me. I am plagued buy construction no matter which way I am traveling around town

 

[mjoppie]

i guess i will just take my chances at it, hopefully wont be hauling to far. prolly use a hoe for digging, think a 320 will fit behind it?? :-laf



cooker, sorry about the pita, i see what you mean, i had to drive through there on my time once :-{} damn cars, half of it is the city drivers. it wont be much longer, just till october :-laf the bridges are set to be done in july.

 

[SRadke]

Anything over 26,000 gross requires a CDL if I read the Michigan Revised Code correctly... The law says nothing about it being commercial vs. non-commercial. I think it breaks it down that if your truck gross is over 10k, or your truck/trailer combo is over 26K, you need to have the endorsement.

In Oregon you need $13 and a farmer to sign for you to get a farm endorsment. This legally allows you to operate ANY machine pertaining to farm use within 200 miles of the farm. By any machine I mean wide open, over weight, over width, anything. It's crazy how vague that law is.



-Scott

 

[BStoecker]

I try to do my research before giving advice.



Here is a quote directly from the Michigan Sec. of State regarding who needs a CDL:



"Any Michigan resident who intends to operate the following commercial vehicles is required to have a commercial driver license:



Single Vehicles - Having a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)* of 26,001 pounds or more.



Combination Vehicles - Towing a trailer or other vehicles with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more when the gross combination weight rating (GCWR)** is 26,001 pounds or more. "



Here is the link to this information: http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_8666_9060-21609--,00.html







mjoppie,

The 28th project is a PIA, not to mention all the other construction going on around me. I am plagued buy construction no matter which way I am traveling around town

I guess I was mistaken. I was taking my information from http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127--21618--,00.html and didn't see anything about it being commercial or not. I guess I don't have to worry about being over 26K in MI then... I want to get the CDL anyway though.

 

[kah68]

You know I once hauled a D-3 behind my 96 power joke , not only was it underpowered but it was down right scary over 50 mph, these loads you are talking about is way far gone beyond what is safe. I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm just saying its not the smartest thing, especially if someone ( other than yourself ) gets hurt. I remember the 1st guy to buy a Dodge Cummins 3/4 ton in my town. Hooked onto a 23 ton tag a long and pulled an excavtor home from Ottawa with it. One hill he had to put the truck in 4X4 low range to get up it. The tag had air brakes which he disabled to pull with the Dodge. Scares me to think what could have happened on that run.

 

[SSage]

I never liked the electric brakes with that much weight. A D4 would put a 10 ton well over. Probably 5,000 pounds over or more. HD equipmet trailers empty are a good load for a light truck. I would try to get a 12 ton trailer, thats what I used for a JD 550 along with a International single axle. DOT will want CDL and air brakes for any non-RV. The DOT around here would not let it pass unless you are in a farm tractor on a rual road. Anything over 26,001 requires a class A CDL in all 50 states. Farmers can go without medical, but you still must test to get the Farm endorsement, air brake, HAZMAT, passenger etc. Its a federal requirement.



If you get caught, it could cost you a good bit. It cost me a $100/$150 to have a low boy move a dozer or excavator. Cheaper than a torn up truck, ticket and tow bill.