put a deposit on a new 06 beetle TDI

[bigtoy]

We drove a gasser 1st, 0% financing for 36 mos. 3. 9 for 60 mos. Then I asked if they had any TDIs. He claimed that they just got one off the truck yesterday. Most of the time they are already sold before they arrive, and none of the special financing is available for the TDI. and you pay what is on the sticker, it's like buying a Harley! Am I being fed a line of bull? I will say this the sticker price (22. 5K) was the same as similalry equipped gassers. We loved the TDI! plenty of zip. I could easily believe that this is all true,what do you think? Oh by the way the 200 dollar deposit is refundable, so I can back out of the deal.

 

[RGardner]

I had looked a Jetta's and they wanted sticker plus they had added a bunch of dealer options that added another 4k to the price! No dickering, that was the price! I said thanks but no thanks!

 

[Todd G]

When I bought our 2004, I went through Costco to get right to the fleet manager. I was able to work them down a little from there...

 

[Greenleaf]

Jay made a good point when I spoke to him this week. His wife drives a Jetta/Diesel.



He mentioned that diesel fuel being the price that it is ($. 060+ higher per gallon) the market will become buyer firendly towards the Jetta TDI cuz they ain't going to be selling them no-mo.





Besides we ALL know this is part of the ongoing government scandal to rid the US of diesel fueled vehicles.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

All I've ever heard on the TDI VWs is that you pay sticker MSRP, and they are hard to get. Sounds like the dealer was telling you exactly what I've heard from numerous other dealers in my state.

 

[Katman]

Can't help you much on the price. I'm not a dealer but I know there isn't much room (maybe about 1,500 plus factory dealer incentives) between normal dealer cost and sticker. I've been running vw diesels since 1985 and currently have an 02 jetta wagon and 06 jetta sedan. Great vehicles. Sure. They have made diesel more expensive now, but look at the mileage spread between gas and diesel and you are still better off going with the diesel unless you pay a huge premium in the cost of the car and you have a big regional difference in fuel costs.

 

[bigtoy]

Thanks for the replies, I am convinced that the salesman is being straight with me. After doing some research, these units are scarce. What I can't believe is looking at Autotrader.com used 06 units going for more than the factory sticker on mine. Some of them had 10-15000 miles on them, naturally I figured it must be the way they are equipped, but the one I am looking at is got everything on it except for the 17" wheels, and is brand new. I was planning on buying a used unit, that is usually what I do. I get something a couple three years old with low miles, and pay about half of what it was new. That works for G. M. cars, but it appears to me these V. W. cars hold their value big time. That really impresses me!



Well to make a long story short, I am picking it up tomorrow, my family and I are excited. I hope it turns out to be a good car.

 

[kbond]

Thanks for the replies, I am convinced that the salesman is being straight with me. After doing some research, these units are scarce. What I can't believe is looking at Autotrader.com used 06 units going for more than the factory sticker on mine. Some of them had 10-15000 miles on them, naturally I figured it must be the way they are equipped, but the one I am looking at is got everything on it except for the 17" wheels, and is brand new. I was planning on buying a used unit, that is usually what I do. I get something a couple three years old with low miles, and pay about half of what it was new. That works for G. M. cars, but it appears to me these V. W. cars hold their value big time. That really impresses me!



Well to make a long story short, I am picking it up tomorrow, my family and I are excited. I hope it turns out to be a good car.

Funny I noticed the same thing. Used going for more then new. Some of the stock wheels are pricey though. Like the "Vision" series. When I bought my 06 TDI Jetta I first test drove the manual and it had nicer wheels then the auto I bought. I ask the sales guy to have them swapped. Said they would but wanted $1200 for the wheels. No thanks. So far we have close to 2k miles on it. MPG has been 35 mpg. Thats @ 80+ mph though so I think that's pretty good. Also they say it gets lots better after the break in around 10-15k miles. I originally went to look for a beetle but lost that battle to the wife once she saw the 4 door Jetta and we all know..... say it together... If momma ain't happy, none of us are happy.

 

[BGlidewell]

I have 15000 on my 05. Its a nice, trouble free little car. Drive it hard from the get-go and change the oil at 3000. Mine will bark the tires from a stop and outrun most of the fartpipers



The oil for these pumper diesels is not widely available and you will lose your warranty if you dont use the spec oil. You may have to get your engine oil from the dealer or have them do it. My dealer does not make $ on oil and I have been doing my own. They also use a canister type oil filter which is a little different. Youll need a band-wrench and a turkey baster too.



The bad thing about these cars is they are not serviceable by many outside the dealer and some tend to get electrical gremlins.



A useful link:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/

 

[litespeed]

The bad thing about these cars is they are not serviceable by many outside the dealer and some tend to get electrical gremlins.



A useful link:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/

Don't forget about the intake manifold, intercooler, vacuum tubing and MAF gremlins! The inside of the intake manifold gets covered with an oily residue from the CCV system that when combined with the hot EGR gases creates a messy oily crust that can completely clog the intake manifold in as little as 90,000 miles. Using the wrong oil makes it worse. Pulling and cleaning the things is no fun. I have done it about 9 times on 3 of my TDI's.



Also, because of the design of the CCV system... ... The intercooler can partially fill with oil and needs to be drained and cleaned every 40,000 miles or so. If not, this can create a dangerous 'runaway' condition. Done this about 20 times on 3 of my TDI's.



A CCV mod will fix the problem. Cannister type or elephant hose mod.



The VW vacuum tubing lasts about 4 to 5 years then it all dry rots and creates a myriad of boost and power problems. There is an average of 35 feet of tubing under the hood depending on which model you buy. It is color coded for troubleshooting issues. Replacing it all with silicone color coded tubing is a good idea.



If you buy one or already have one... . Get yourself a VagCom scan tool from Ross Tech and save yourself a bunch of headaches. Don't trust anyone to work on them unless they have credentials to work on them (and can prove it). Including the dealer. Most people are complete idiots or completely clueless when it comes to those engines.



VW has been using cannister type filters in some of their engines since the early 1990's. This makes oil changes a cinch and is actually pretty refreshing. Just be sure the filters are wrapped in plastic when you buy them and not just stuck in a box. As above..... Be sure to use the "Spec'd" oil or you will regret it and you may have a hard time selling the car.



You may get a power window problem or a difficult to troubleshoot water leak (inside the car). Also the interior trim will start to peel after a few years and most of it becomes very brittle (more than usual).



They are still great cars!! The sticker price thing is nuts!! I have not heard that one yet. But now I have not bought one in a couple years now. If you get a manual the MPG will amaze you.



You need to sit down and do some math. I figured once that it would take me up to 5 or 6 years to get the savings of driving my TDI (based on 40,000 miles per year). This was comparing it to my Volvo which gets around 27 MPG versus the TDI's 45 MPG. It could take as much a 15 years to make up the difference with less annual miles per year. Something to consider if they are "Taking you to the bank".



If you are doing a bunch of driving..... The TDI is for sure the way to go. If not... . There are better options.



It really boils down to what you 'really' want.



Good luck!



AJ

 

[ssanders60]

Vw Tdi

VW TDI



The cashier at West Side Dodge, here in Jax, Fl. has one, gets

about 45 MPG, however she told me it has to have a timing belt

at 40,000 mile intervals to maintain the warranty, and that it cost

$400 per whack. I couldn't tell what year model her vehicle is

but I would check out the timing belt feature before I bought one.

It seems like 40,000 mile intervals would be out of character, 60

or 100 thousand would be more real.





'03 SLT Quad H/O 4x4

 

[Katman]

timing belt interval on my '02 is 80,000. I'd have to check on the '06 but I think it is higher--90,000 or more.

 

[BGlidewell]

timing belt interval on my '02 is 80,000. I'd have to check on the '06 but I think it is higher--90,000 or more.

the 05 TDI is 80k and the cost here is 850.

 

[BGlidewell]

... The sticker price thing is nuts!! I have not heard that one yet. But now I have not bought one in a couple years now. If you get a manual the MPG will amaze you. ...

Good input. I paid sticker for mine, there was no room to negotiate. I've heard the engines are going to be redone for US export and will not be of the same quality soon. :{



Mine is an auto and gets high 30s around town with my foot into the firewall a lot. It uses NO oil.

 

[bigtoy]

Thanks for the replies, I think, kind of scared me, I was thinking the 06 didn't need a timing belt until 100K . I will join the TDI club to learn more. I use Amsoil in everything, and they have the 505. 01 VW oil. Would the payback take that long? There was no price difference between the gas and diesel both similarly equipped. I could have got 3. 9% for 60 mos. on the gasser instead of 6. 95% on the TDI. That would have saved a litttle. How much would they, if any knocked off the gasser, (sticker price) I don't know, I fell in love with that jet black TDI. I think there are to many variables like if the gasser engine only lasts half as long as the TDI, of course the TDI could blow up early too. If I would have had to pay alot more for the diesel engine like when buying a diesel pickup I would have gone with the gasser because we were getting a new beetle regardless. The sticker price was the same. I probably didn't do my homework like I should have. It seems the older I get the less I like homework.

 

[mhenon]

bigtoy, relax... you're going to love your Jetta. I have an '03 with 75k miles and if I had to choose between the Dodge and the VW..... bye bye Dodge.

Freds TDI is the web-site for TDI info. Like the TDR it's full of TDI nut's who know every square inch of your car and can help with any problem you might encounter.

That timing belt is 100K by the way. I just looked at one that was changed out at 116k and it looked perfect. Could have easily gone another 10k or 20k so it's not like they self destruct at 100k.

Get it broke in right (there's a great right up on Fred's) and keep it fed with clean fuel (ULSD will be ideal for this engine) and oil.

Come back in 500k miles or so and tell how it's running.

Mike

 

[litespeed]

bigtoy, relax... you're going to love your Jetta. I have an '03 with 75k miles and if I had to choose between the Dodge and the VW..... bye bye Dodge.

Freds TDI is the web-site for TDI info. Like the TDR it's full of TDI nut's who know every square inch of your car and can help with any problem you might encounter.

That timing belt is 100K by the way. I just looked at one that was changed out at 116k and it looked perfect. Could have easily gone another 10k or 20k so it's not like they self destruct at 100k.

Get it broke in right (there's a great right up on Fred's) and keep it fed with clean fuel (ULSD will be ideal for this engine) and oil.

Come back in 500k miles or so and tell how it's running.

Mike

Yep... ... ... . I'll be getting a call from you too... ... .



I have been on Freds for years and offer service too... . Not just on TDI club, but on the VagCom database too.



With an attitude like yours... ... You will be out of an engine real soon... .



Cost is about the same as a 6 cyl. Cummins when it comes to replacement.



Good luck...

 

[mhenon]

Yep... ... ... . I'll be getting a call from you too... ... .



I have been on Freds for years and offer service too... . Not just on TDI club, but on the VagCom database too.



With an attitude like yours... ... You will be out of an engine real soon... .



Cost is about the same as a 6 cyl. Cummins when it comes to replacement.



Good luck...

Attitude???? Don't know what that's all about. We've owned a Jetta for three years and I love the car. What do you want me to say?

I would recommend the Jetta to anyone. All vehicles have their quirks and VW isn't any different but this is just a great little car in my opinion.

Mike

 

[RGardner]

I think that litespeed is being a little hard on the vw. Yes those are all problems that can happen but not to each and every vw diesel. Almost 70,000 on ours now and yes we did have the window problem, but vw fixed them both under warranty.

 

[mhenon]

Well I'm out of warranty so any problems now come outta my pocket. i don't like the dealers messing around under the hood anyway.

Just haven't had any issues to speak of. We've decide to keep the car 'till it falls apart and I'm doing preventative maintenance to stay on top of it. Doing the same with the Dodge but it mostly sits these days

Anyway, I think both vehicles will last a long time with a little TLC. May be the last two rigs we ever buy.

Mike