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Here is a summary of my observations using the Quadzilla Towing Module. This is a simple pressure box, in-cab adjustable with 0-50-100 HP settings. Its fueing curve based entirely on boost, with a design objective of: (1) responsive but not punchy throttle to control EGTs, and to be easy on the stock turbocharger and (2) aggressive fueling into high RPMs. I decided to try one of these and report on my observations:



1. The fueling curve has met its objective. No actual dyno curve yet, although the butt dyno tells me that this box fuels very smoothly from 1800 to 3000. nice. I put my pressure fears aside temporarily and just enjoyed the box. It delivered.



2. EGTs are managable. I understand that Quadzilla has deliberately introduced a tiny bit of softening into the responsiveness of the fueling curve, which means when you punch it, you get very smooth application of power and a little EGT advantage. I haven't yet compared this with a Bullydog or EZ, but based on my observations I think Quadzilla was succesful in meeting this goal. Smoke is very light, and the truck is not jumpy by any means. Based on what I feel in the seat of my pants, the box performs exactly as intended.



3. With the box on high, I can floor it at 1800 RPM in 5th gear and take her to 70 mph before EGTs reach 1300. acceleration is smooth, predictable and strong. I have completely stock air syststem and turbocharger -- I bet this box would perform very well with intake and exhaust.



4. As with any simple pressure box, installation is simple: two connections to MAP and fuel pressure port. The Quadzilla comes with a three position toggle switch to select off, 50HP or 100HP settings. in-cab adjustability is very nice.



5. In general, I expect a pressure box to run cooler than the VA duration box, and this box does not disapoint. I get significantly more usable power out of it than I do with the VA.





I experimented with stacking the Quadzilla with the VA duration box. wow, was that ever a good idea. talk about area under the curve! Setting the VA duration box on its "Level 1" position gives you a good low end, a smooth torque curve, and good EGTs, but leaves you wanting a bit more oomph. However, with the addition of the Quadzilla on 50 HP, you get a very nice combination of:



1. low fuel pressure -- with the Quadzilla on 50HP, fuel pressure is within acceptable limits, in my opinion. keep in mind that I am conservative when it comes to pressure, so I prefer to keep the Quadilla on low.



2. reasonable EGTs. The Quadzilla by itself actaully runs cooler than than the VA, which is expected since duration without timing means net retardation of timing. I expect VA will fix that. But the combination of pressure and duration in this case produces a very nice power curve with managable EGTs.



3. The Quadzilla box by itself (on highest setting) has a very nice power curve in its own right. The VA just fattens up the low end.



4. The Quadzilla's power curve compliments the VA curve very well. While the Quadzilla is soft (compared to the VA) down low, it comes on strong at the upper end while the VA tapers off. nice.





conclusions:



1. if you are comfortable with elevated fuel pressures approaching 27,000 psi, this is actually a fine alternative to the VA duration box. It does not deliver near the low end torque of the VA, but that isn't all bad either. The Quadzilla fuels strong into the high RPMs, drives very nicely, and does very well in the EGT department.



2. I personally prefer a box that does not loudly announce its presence with a touchy throttle. The Quadzilla fulfils this better than the VA duration box, which is very nice in its own right. For mild, city driving you get a bit stronger launches with light throttle, but not eye-popping, smoke-making, turbo-busting fuel. When you punch it, you get a little smoke and a fueling curve that comes alive around 1800-1900 and doesn't stop.



3. The Quadzilla is a great stack for the VA duration box (personal experience). I bet it would also make a good stack for the TST, particularly because it would let the TST fuel down low, and it would kick in and cool things off at the upper end.
 
Did you find that the Quadzilla box made the injections a lot louder when on the 100HP setting? The box I had on mine worked great, but sounded like it was hammering the injectors in the upper rpm's. The EZ I ran didn't sound that way
 
lmills: no I didn't on my 04 anyway. I played on the 100 HP setting WOT and things sounded great. Thats Interesting. The fueling curve may be more agressive, and on the 50 HP setting that may yield a flatter curve. I think the EZ backs off a bit at the upper end -- is that true?
 
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Originally posted by DLeno

Here is a summary of my observations using the Quadzilla Towing Module. delivered.



5. In general, I expect a pressure box to run cooler than the VA duration box, and this box does not disapoint. I get significantly more usable power out of it than I do with the VA.



Any mileage info on the quadzilla box, running alone?



I experimented with stacking the Quadzilla with the VA duration box. wow, was that ever a good idea. talk about area under the curve! Setting the VA duration box on its "Level 1" position gives you a good low end, a smooth torque curve, and good EGTs, but leaves you wanting a bit more oomph. However, with the addition of the Quadzilla on 50 HP, you get a very nice combination of:



Any mileage difference with the boxes run in a stacked configuration?
 
no mileage info yet. been having too much fun :D. Without validation, my thinking is that the pressure box will give some improvement, and the duration only box will not. A stacked combo will be somewhere in between.
 
I have run the 0 - 100 hp Quadzilla for 4 months the injectors are a little louder on the 100 hp setting. Deleno is right about the smooth power , smoother and more power than the EZ on 6 th setting.



I have had the tst stacked with the Quadzilla - smooth power - Quadzilla on 100 hp tst on 3x3 slipped stock clutch big time.



Now have south bend Con FE - holding very good - Went thru 2nd to 4th in town yesterday - 100 hp Quad tst on 5x5 . Totally blacked out the street behind me. :cool: Did not watch gauges - to busy hanging on. I have drove this combo hard - turbo still hanging in.



;)
 
Just be aware that the boost module feature does NOT work in the "0" power setting. Had a customer with our Jammer turbo, Stage 3's and the Quad box.



Made 309hp with the box on 0, with a very noticeable drop after 2200rpm - which looked like it was defueling, which didn't make much sense to us. Pulled the Quad and installed our TTPM in level 0 where boost fooling is active... voila 407hp.
 
G woody - yes still running stock turbo - still waiting for new turbo.



Normal driving quad 100 hp - tst 3x3 - truck runs real smooth.

With this setting 100 + mph if I excellerate slowly egts preturbo 900 - 1000 deg - Then floor it, it will push you back in the seat like you would not believe.



If you stack the quad with something like the tst , the tst will do the boost fooling.



One nice thing about stacking the Quadzilla module with the tst , they both have incab adjustability - flip a switch - push a button - back to stock power - Try that with injectors .

;)
 
We can block boost in stock position if it is needed. We did this for a reason. Back in Oct-02 we were doing a lot of testing with injectors, turbos, twin turbos and so forth. We found that for towing with injectors (80hp and up) was to let the ecm control your egt's. I believe I made a post about this a long time ago. We ran 120hp injectors and could not get over about 1300 deg with a load. This is becuuse we could make a lot of power down low and as the egt's crept up the ecm started to defuel the truck. At the time it was awesome for towing and still is. We do fool boost in both power adding stages.



If you need to get your module where it will fool boost in stock position then let me know I will get it fixed for you.



Quad
 
Originally posted by GWoody

Doug, has Quadzilla said when they might have something for the 600.



haven't heard. Given that the 600 has this happy little pressure fooling detector, most of the pure pressure boxes won't work, at least on the high settings. Unless someone has figured out a way to fool that -- how about you Ramifier guys? I thought the Ramifier was being used on the 600. how's that going?



Anyway, I personally am not aware of any pressure box that works on the 600 except for (1) the VA mild pressure box or (2) perhaps any of the adjustable ones on a low setting, or (3) a Ramifier that is programmed to behave like a mild pressure box. Anyone else have more info?
 
Doug, have you ever stacked the VA pressure box with the VA duration box, I know Eengel is getting ready to but I was just wondering if you had tried that since you have run the Quadzilla and know how that feels.
 
STACKING

GWoody,



Doug commented on the stacked VA's earlier. The stacked VA's work well but the power comes in at similar points on the 2 VA boxes. If you use one of the other pressure boxes where the power comes in at a higher rpm, you get the VA duration low rpm power and the pressure box higher RPM power. It gives you a better spectrum than just the 2 VA's. However, the 600 does not like most of the pressure boxes.



I spoke to Quadzilla and it doesn't work on the 600, so I am going use the VA level I since I know it works with 600.
 
Actually it works on the 600, but we are waiting on some changes we are making for the 600. The low setting works like a charm. The high setting will work intermittenly depending on your driving style. We are 99% sure we have it figured out and we have a few in testing. As soon as we nor for sure I will let you guys know.
 
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When are you expecting the box to be ready for sale? I would like to try the same test Doug is running on my 600.
 
Since this thing is designed for towing... have you tried it that way... ... I pull 20K most of the time and am looking for improvement only when towing.....
 
I haven't towed with it. But the answer to your question lies in what you expect while towing, and then you can inspect the torque curve to see what would acheive your goals. when I refer to "towing" I generally refer to :



1. cruising RPMS, i. e. torque in the 2000 RPM region.

2. some effort at keeping EGTs low, perhaps by sacrificing high end HP or low-end responsiveness.



When I refer to racing I generally refer to:



1. broad torque curve regardless of the EGT consequences

2. responsive low end





now that doen'st mean a box designed for the racing profile wont work well towing. Indeed, the broad torque curve extending into the high RPMs will greatly benefit passing or climbing. the point is that most guys who tow have different goals than guys who race -- so the towing crowd is more willing to make a compromize in order to be easier on the stock turbocharger and to benefit the RPM region most used for highway cruising. The racing guys tend not to care so much about black smoke and hitting the turbocharger very hard, or high EGTs (because they typically do not sustain power levels for long periods of time in a race, like the towing guys so).



Quadzilla is sort of a hybrid tow/race box, if you accept the definitions above. the fueling curve benefits towing in that it is easy on the turbocharger at low RPMSs (acceleration off the line is not paramount), but it fuels strong into the high RPMs which means a large area under the torque curve, ultimately benefitting acceleration to acheive speed. this of course has an EGT consequence that my affect your foot while climbing, but then any box has that capacity -- not one box out there, even the VA C3. 1 pressure box (the mildest of them all), needs to be driving with a pyro, especially towing where you are sustaining power levels for long periods of time.
 
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