Question about 5 spoke VS Budds....

[AndrewKing]

HI,



I am looking at two trucks that are very similar except that one truck has Budd style wheels and the other has 5 spoke wheels..... I am wondering what the advantages and disadvantages are of each style wheels are (BTW the tires are the same size on both trucks). .



Thanks for any and al help.



Andrew

 

[NIsaacs]

The 5-spoke/Dayton wheels are cheap, so large fleets can save a lot of money, just in the wheels. They are a pain to get bolted up square and you can't run them single if the need arises. Go with the Budds.





"NICK"

 

[JayWm]

I second what NIsaac says. Out here in California, no one runs the Daytons, they suck to work on, and if you are sensitive to vibrations don't expect any truck tire dealers to want to balance them or hear about ride complaints. Those things suck to get true. The one and only advantage I know of is that in places with a lot snow, ie: rust, they do not seize to the hubs like budd or hub pilot wheels can. By the way did I mention that I do truck tires for a living?



Jay

 

[E7mack96]

My first dump was a '78 mack with spokes. I had to retorque the nuts almost daily, otherwize I'd spin a wheel and knock off the valve stem. Wouldn't take 'em if they were free.



Budd wheels suck too. I mean the stud piloted inner and outer nut jobs.



Get hub piloted if you can.

 

[JayWm]

E7mack 96, Respectfully I have to disagree with ya. I have seen far more problems with hub piloted wheels losing torque and wheels getting loose or falling off. Hub piloted wheels like to seize to the hubs especially in snowy climates. But I will agree that hub piloted wheels are nice from the respect that if you need to remove wheels you only have to pull one set of lug nuts. And the reality is that hub piloted wheels have become the standard for new trucks being built and for the otr fleet trucks.

Jay

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

The one and only advantage I know of is that in places with a lot snow, ie: rust, they do not seize to the hubs like budd or hub pilot wheels can. Jay

Smear anti-seize all over those parts. When the time comes to take apart, it's much easier. JMO

 

[E7mack96]

I've used all 3 types in my company. Each has its' own advantage and disadvantage.



I have never had a hub piloted wheel loose torque and come off. I do know of a couple companies in the area that have lost both duals going down the highway. It was due to the dimwit merchanic forgetting to torque them down in the first place.



I do have a problem occaisionally with the rims seizing to the hub. That is infrequent, however, because my dump drivers destroy tires too often. The rims don't get a chance to seize up .

 

[JayWm]

Smear anti-seize all over those parts. When the time comes to take apart, it's much easier. JMO

Agree with you 100%. Could you please contact all the ding dong's who work on the over the road fleets who can't be bothered to do their job right...



E7mack96, the only trucks we've had issues with wheels coming loose were all freightliners that belong to a very, very large utility company. Twice we got accused of not tightening down wheels. Keep in mind my service driver has been doing this for 15 years. Both times I tore down his 1" air gun and had it tested, twice, no problems found. What was really interesting is that both times the trucks had been driven several hundred miles over a several weeks before the wheels came off. Even better was the fact that no one at the utility could produce driver pre/post trip inspections. And yet we still got blamed by their so called "investigator". Um, gee what actions were taken against the drivers for violating company policy and state law, um... none. Did I mention they are union drivers? These are class 8 trucks. Then we heard from several fleet mech's that trucks all over the state that we had never worked on were having wheel off's too... suddenly they got off our back real fast and they never shared anything of what was wrong. I'm sure if they had come up with concrete info showing we were to blame they'd have been after us in a heartbeat seeking reimbursement.



On a side note, I am not trying to flame unions, but I take issue when a company is unwilling to take corrective action against it's employees to protect the general safety of the public because they don't want to fight the union. Yes, it bothers me when an ineffective, unsafe employee is kept on the job... rant over

 

[JayWm]

Andrew, sorry to hijack your thread. Hopefully you can draw some conclusions from our responses and make your decisions. Good luck



Jay

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

JayWm, You couldn't be talking about Park and Go Eat could you?!

 

[jwduke]

You can still get Dayton wheels? :-laf :-laf :-laf I haven't pulled a trailer in FOREVER with Dayton wheels.



Please, buy the Budd wheels, they have to be 1000% safer, you will not loose them going down the road.



Plus, are Daytons not the old split rims?



WOW what a blast from the past!!!

 

[AndrewKing]

Thanks for the input guys... . I think I am leaning towards the Budd style beceuse the only tire company near me also says I should choose the budds because of the balance issue and the fact that on the average tires last longer on the budd style rims... .

Andrew

 

[terrywerm]

We didn't call the Dayton wheels "Chicago Wobblers" for nothing you know... . :-laf



I've had all three types of wheels over the years and I (personal opinion here) wouldn't have anything other than the hub piloted Budds. I never had trouble with them freezing to the hub, but then again I had aluminum hubs and aluminum wheels all the way around. The biggest thing with them is to TORQUE the lugs when they are tightened - consistent, even tightening is the goal, and be sure to recheck the torque on them after the first 50 to 100 miles.