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I am looking to spend roughly $3,000 (maximum) on a lathe for my home shop. I have minimal experience and time on a lathe, and the ones I have used were industrial grade which I used under supervision. I was wondering if any of you machinists or millwrights (if there are any of you still around) could point me in the right direction and give me some tips. I've been looking at Grizzly products just because they are a convenient drive away. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

DBR
 
Dbr, I have a friend that is selling off all of his deceased grand-father's stuff (mostly junk) however I did notice he had a old lathe in his shop, I dont know what kind it is or what shape it's in but I know you could pick it up cheap, prolly a few hundred, let me know if interested and I will look into it further, I would have to lift it with my back-hoe , it prolly weight a least a ton... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... Kevin
 
Lathes

Grizzly, Jet, Enco,etc all sell the same basic models of Taiwan lathes. I bought the Enco 13x40 for gunsmithing. You can plan on a lot of tune up work on all of them. It just takes time. Mine is very accurate and am happy with it. Its about $2500 at Grizzly. They also sell parts for thier lathes. An old Logan or Southbend will usually require some tuning up also. Just a personal choice. I made a lot of mods on my ENCO and did the same thing to my old Logan. ;)
 
Lathe

Look around for used Logan or South Bend, I have had good experience with both, stay away from the imports they are junk. Parts are still available even for very old machines made by these companies. There are also Yahoo groups for both brands. And if you need some information try my UK friend Tony's site http://www.lathes.co.uk/index.html Please note that not all the archives on this site are available at all times, Tony has had to limit access due to bandwidth problems, however it wide open on Sundays. If you have any questions don't hesitate to send me an email, I do this sort of work for a living and have a shop at home too, can also point you to the Logan and South Bend factory sites.

Here is a picture of my 10" Logan.

Neil:D

Ps, this was a $500 cdn junker that I fixed up, total investment including QC tooling and new chuck $1500 cdn. And although it's said that it can't be done, yes it's on wheels:p
 
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What Will It Be Used For?

DBR,

You really need to tell us what it will be used for. All the imports are not junk. There is a lack of quality control on them, and you will have to tune them up yourself. Gun barrels require about an 1 1/2" hole thru the spindle and 36-40" between centers. I had an 11x36 Logan and it worked fine but the bed was worn in one area where the saddle had worn it down over the years. You can work around the problem areas of any machine. It also matters if you have single or 3 phase wiring. JMO;)
 
10" Logan for sale

DBR, A fellow here has a 10" Logan lathe for sale that appears much the same as the one in ETOBICOKE's picture above but with a longer bed. Priced at $800. 00 with an extra new chuck. It has the factory legs (floor model) rather than a cabinet and I believe a quick change gear setup. I have two 11" Logans, a 13" Southbend and a 11" Rockwell and though I much prefer the old lathes, the later model, higher end Taiwan machines will do a good job.
 
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I'd try to find an older American or European made machine. There are some OK machines coming out of Tiawan also but I'd stay away from anything made in China. I made the mistake of ordering a drill press from Grizzly (for home use) that turned out to have been made in China. Poor castings, poor finish, not rigid and rough running. We have some Mazak lathes (Japanese) at work that are excellent machines (1976 vintage) but also have two new Polish machines (Tarnow and Poreba) that have been nothing but trouble. (I'm the one who has to keep them running)



Kim
 
The best lathe you can get in a tool room size is the Hardinge. They can be pricey, however I have seen some in the 5K range here in CA. My area has been hard hit by the recession and shops are going out of business daily. I was offered a decent CNC mill (20 X 40) and a huge amount of tooling for dirt cheap prices. I have two weeks to mull it over.
 
Lathe

One of the main reasons I tend to favor the North American made lathes is that parts and accesories are so much more standard, unfortunately this is not true for most machines made in Europe or Asia. Although many of the Asian imports have a reasonable level of workmanship, the materials they are constructed from are usualy of poor quality, especialy the motor and wiring and soft non heat treated parts.

My old 9" Logan in the picture was made in 1947 and still a work horse, my 7" Myford is just over 30 years old and still like the day it was made. I also had a 9" 40's era South Bend, that is now in my brother's workshop. Both the Logan and the South Bend have the same spindle nose and can share chucks. The Myford has a unique spindle nose, chucks are only readily available from the dealer and rather pricey :eek:, or you have to make your own back plate with a brittish standard thread :(

This is not to say the Myford is not a good lathe, it's just more expensive tooling wise. The Logan is in my shop at work and often gets used for several days at a time and has proven to be very reliable. It has a few interesting features, for example when the belt guard is opened the belt tension is released. The spindle has Timken bearings and 12 speeds. The stand I made myself at work, the cabinet was made at home, most of the electrics were scrounged from the sparkies at work, and the casters were left overs from a job. This allowed me to keep the expendatures to a reasonable level.

Since you have set yourself a decent budget there should be no problem finding a good machine, just remeber any accesories that come with the machine are a definite plus. A general rule of thumb is the tooling should be worth about 1/3 of the total cost.



Neil

:)
 
I just returned from a business trip and have gotten the chance to review everyone's advice. I just wanted to thank you for your input and experience.



My intended use for the lathe is to learn basic lathe operation for home use and tinkering. Does anybody have any links to reconditioned lathes?



Once again, thanks for everyone's replies.
 
Finding a Lathe

DBR one of the best ways to find good used small machine tools is to contact your local model enginnering or live steam groups. A private sale is usualy the best, many time the machine can be seen operating before you purchase it. Only a few dealers actualy sell smaller machines, and many times at an inflated price. Some good deals can be had from ebay, but some of the vendors are known shysters, you will often see warnings posted about them on the yahoo group for that particular brand of machine. If you need help or want to ask a question, you can always email me, I have been helping newbie machinists for many years.

Neil :D



Here is a photo of the Tiger Moth landing gear I am building now.
 
Great advice!

ETOBICOKE,



Great advice on finding the right lathe and tooling. Also I wanted to compliment you on

a super landing gear. The Tiger Moth is quite a nice project. :)
 
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Grizzly's 13 1/2 x 40 and larger lathes are gear driven. THey are alot better than there smaller ones. They are awesome though for as cheap as they are. They hold accuracy well too. If you were wanting a new, bigger size lathe. That would be where I would go.
 
Once again, I would like to thank everyone for their input. I greatly appreciate it. Since my last posting on this thread, I have been checking e-bay and multiple sales distributors of used lathes and have decided to buy new through Grizzly. As a matter of fact, I just picked it up today. I chose the 13 ½ by 40 gear-head lathe, along with some simple tooling with which to start out. Actually, I went over budget by $9! I’m sure in the months to come I’ll have many questions to ask. I can only bother the machinists so much at work before I wear out my welcome! Thanks everyone. Now off to building my new, improved twin turbo set-up!:)
 
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