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I have been pondering the time when the stock tires wear out on the 2013-2500 RAM. I found "Nitto" tires in 285/70-17 have a rating of 3750lbs ea. That would, for all intents and purposes give me the same axle ratings as the 2013 3500 SRW with 18" tires.



Both trucks are rated to tow 17K approx depending on models etc, and 25K GCVW. The 18" tires on the 3500 have a 3640 lbs rating. Approx. which gives one a bit more for pin weight.



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The approx difference in tire diameter is 4. 5% more for the 18" factory 275/70-18 and 3. 5% for the Nitto in 285/70-17 from the stock 17" size of 265/70-17. very minimal speedo difference with the nittos.



Are Nittos any good?





Thanks in advance for your insight.
 
Neither the wheels nor the differential are rated high enough for the tires to accomplish anything. The 2500s GAWR is 6200 lb. The 3500 SRW GAWR is 7000 lb. I don't have spring ratings but they are also going to be in line with what is needed for the GAWR the factory assigned.
 
Joe, best I can tell, the axles on the 3500 and 2500 SRW are the same, AAM 11. 5? If you had tires capable of 7K weight, the only other factor then would be springs for it to mechanically be a 3500?
 
i ran the 285/70r17 nitto terra grapplers on my '03 2500. they did fine on pavement for daily driving and towed several 'overloads' with no issues. the treadwear was average. i sold them with 40 percent tread left and installed slightly larger and more agressive tires.
 
The ring gear diameters are the same but the housings and tubes are almost certainly different. The 6200 lb. rated diff has been made for years and is probably the same thing used in the 2013 2500. The 7000 rating required beefing up and close inspection should show you diferences in center section bracing, probably tube diameter. I haven't looked closely at the new 2500s.
 
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I had Nitto 285/75's on my 04. 5 and put them on this 2012 when it was new. I wanted a bit taller tire, but not as big as a 315. I've been happy with them. They do fairly well is snow and mud and don't howl on the highway. The only downside I see is they don't seem to get as good wear as previous BFG's. I'm getting about 40k out of a set.
 
I too ran 285/75/17 Terra Grapplers on my 2500 06. They preformed well in all seasons here in the mid-west, on and off road. Like others have stated they wore out faster than the factory BFG's. Factory BFG's went 95000 miles with 1/8" tread left, Terra Grapplers only made it to 66000 miles with 1/8" thread left. Keep in mind I run Centramatic balancers, 60 psi front and 50 psi rear(unless towing heavy then 65 psi all around), and rotate every 6-7000 miles
 
Thanks for the tire info Steve and Bedroc. Joe, I'll do some research on the axle. I know my 05' dually AAM 11. 5 had no "ribs" on the center housing or Pumkin but the 2013 has 2 ribs I think top and bottom... I'll double check tomorrow. I know the 30K 3500 has a very different axle. I'd be surprised if AAM and Chrysler changed the tube size between the two(2500-3500 SRW) but gave them the same tow rating... Risky at best liability wise I'd think. . Both rated to tow the same, but different tube diameters. AAM would be putting themselves on the block likewise by rating one lesser axle the same as the other.
 
The issue isn't the towing capability; it is load capacity. The 2500 could tow as much as the 3500, with reasonable pin or tongue weight. However, the axle weight capacity of the 2500 is listed as 6200 vs. 7000 for the 3500.
 
Yes, the dually axle is higher rated. I don't think it is safe to assume all 11. 5's have the same tube diameter, wall thickness, spindles, wheel/hub bearings, and reinforcing ribbing on the center section.
 
I have run 285/70/17 Nitto Dura Grapplers on multiple trucks with ZERO problems! They are the only tires I can find rated at 3750lbs and I overload them often. I usually run across the scales with 7500-8500lbs over the rear axle. I enjoy my SRW with these tires mounted on stronger forged aluminum wheels ANY day over my previous DRW trucks. I also have Firestone Ride rite and Hellwig Big Wig air bags on my trucks.

pretty sure on the 2012 and older trucks the rear axle, shocks, main spring pack is the same between the 2500 and 3500.

The 3500 gains you an overload spring pack

DRW gains you 2 training wheels and a sway bar

On the 2013+ I believe the only additional difference is the finned rear diff cover on the 3500 to help cool things down
 
Offshore, thanks I got a question into AAM to clarify the difference between the SRW 2500 and 3500 axles. I'll be going with the Nitto tires as soon as the stocks wear out.
 
Yes, the dually axle is higher rated. I don't think it is safe to assume all 11. 5's have the same tube diameter, wall thickness, spindles, wheel/hub bearings, and reinforcing ribbing on the center section.

No need to assume. The axles are indeed the same. Per AAM the axle is rated for 10,912lbs in SRW or DRW. The axle diameter is the same on Dodge's, but smaller on GM's, and has no bearing on the rating. The wall thickness is adjusted to maintain the weight rating. The outer bearings on a DRW are larger to deal with the added mass of 2 tires, but it does not effect the rating.

The center section did change mid 2006, but that is a tooling thing and the older vs newer have zero difference in ratings. It was AAM's way of decreasing costs. The GM and Dodge had difference center sections up until mid 2006, now they are the same.

AFIK the '13+ DRW Max Tow gets a 11. 8" axle, but the remainder of the trucks still use the AAM 11. 5" axle. Can anyone clarify if only the Max Tow gets the 11. 8", or is it any 3500? Really a point of clarity, since the AAM 11. 5" can handle all the weight a SRW can throw at it.

There are at least 3 different RAWR for the same AAM 11. 5" axle in a Ram, 6,010, 6,200, and 9,350. They are all under the AAM rating.

Furthermore the frame is the same for 03-12 2500's and 3500's, regardless of engine and SRW/DRW configuration. This frame is also used on the '13 2500. It carries more GVWR's than I want to list, the highest being 12,300.

The 3/1 leaf pack used on DRW's 03-09, and all 3500's 11-12 is 7% stiffer than the 4/1 leaf pack used on the 2500's, 03-13, and 3500 SRW's 03-09. So you are a little softer than the truck equipped with a 7,000 lb RAWR, but it's not a large number. Airbags are the easiest way to increase suspension handling.

The wheel rating is unknown, and I have searched for hours and cannot find one. But they are heavy, solid, aluminum wheels an I have no doubt they handle more than the OEM 3195/tire.

So the bottom line is that you will be above the door sticker for RAWR, but I have yet to see where that is a legal issue. Tires are the issue, and 3,750 lb/tire is where you would have to stop. You are not putting any more stress on the configuration than anything that came from the factory with a different sticker, and the axle is the least of your concerns.

The only reason I can see they went to a 11. 8" ring gear was the added torque of the new 850 ft/lb motor. The AAM 11. 5" already required a lot of torque management on the 610 ft/lb motor, and wasn't updated over the years as the 6. 7 grew to 800 ft/lbs.

When my current tires wear out I will most likely be going to 19. 5" wheels and tires with a 4500 lb rating, and I wouldn't be the least bit worried about 9,000lbs on the rear axle of my SRW truck. As far as the truck is concerned it doesn't care if I have a SRW or DRW the ratings are all out there.

AFIK there are no OEM sway-bars on any 3rd or 4th gen on the rear of the truck.
 
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This came back from Ram enginering:

"We do not recommend third party modification to increase ratings nor do we do approve the same loading (GVW & GCW) on each truck due to GAWR & driveline constraint. 2500 & 3500 11. 5in & 11. 8in rear axles are not all the same. There are differences in axle tube thicknesses dependent on GAWR & suspension type. "
 
Joe, I was under the impression that the 11. 8 axle was used in the 38K GCVW truck dually 3500, not the SRW 3500? The SRW does not, to my understanding, have the 30K tow rating. . My reference is only to the 3500 and 2500 SRW.
 
Joe, I was under the impression that the 11. 8 axle was used in the 38K GCVW truck dually 3500, not the SRW 3500? The SRW does not, to my understanding, have the 30K tow rating. . My reference is only to the 3500 and 2500 SRW.

That is my impression as well, but I don't know for sure.

Either way the axle in your 2500 has been used for 10 years as a DRW axle with a 9,350lb rating from Dodge. With the same frame, brakes, and nearly the same suspension.

EDIT: So I have looked at some VIN sheet and so far all of them are DRW with 300mm axles. It appears that the 300mm axle is part of the dually option. It seems the standard 3500 for '13 is SRW and DRW is an option, opposite of years past.

Dual Rear Wheels $ 1,200
17-Inch Steel Spare Wheel
17-Inch x 6. 0-Inch Premium Aluminum
Wheels
LT235/80R17E BSW All Season Tires
300MM Rear Axle
Aluminum Rear Axle Differential Cover
Box and Rear Fender Clearance Lamps
Clearance Lamps
 
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