JOblenes said:
Desertbull, dude check the ego at the door, would ya. You just went on and on about “the facts” (in your mind), you try somewhat disingenuously to sum it up by saying this is only your opinion, not a challenge to Sean, then turn around and challenged him in the very next sentence. And how can the phrases “Just follow me” and “it is my opinion that you do not know what you are talking about” and "Come do to Baja and do some real testing" not be considered a challenge, come one give us a break. You then follow that with a statement that you don’t want to debate it, like somehow your opinion is above that. In this instance you are nothing more than an outright Kore cheerleader and your post was clearly designed only to malign Sean and discredit what he is trying to do. It is posts like yours that will end up getting an otherwise half decent thread shut down. I have followed tales of your adventures on a few websites over the years and I am honestly impressed with some of your achievements, and certainly you have a fun job, but in this case I hope the TDR membership will see through the dude, bad azz, rock on, extreme, sick, blah, blah ,blah marketing hype you just brought to the thread. It has been a few years since I bought my last skateboard so this stuff doesn't work on me.
Desertbull, come on, some humility…please, we would like this thread to continue.
JOblenes: You may be correct on my ranting-but I warned you guys that the assertations about Glamis put me up to the brink and on the edge, perhaps because I go to Glamis and Baja both very regularly.
Okay, so the ego is checked, actually though, most who personally know me will give you a clue about me and how I operate. . simply, I just tell it like it is.
Anyway boyz-moving on.
Apparently Mr. JOblenes your attention to details are lacking.
I'm NOT a KORE cheerleader, in fact, I don't even have a KORE system on the Desert Tank nor have I for the past 85,000 thousand miles of in dirt raging :--) I have no detailed information about KORE and their control arms and/or their race set up... Desertbull does not race with KORE. For the record we have our OWN race team funded by my company and we do not even race in the same class as KORE and/or DRC. KORE manufactures an array of outstanding products as we all know, but I am not associated with KORE or DRC at all.
In fact, the actual FACTS are that The Desert Tank is fitted with Carli Suspension's system complete with FOX Racing Shox... . Oo. ... as previously detailed on the TDR... .
And guess what?
Carli's Suspension has conquered the biggest and baddest that Baja has to offer without compromise... . tried and tested in Baja and the deserts of North America.
Therefore, all those details about KORE versus Lorenz means absolutely nothing to me... because it does not apply to anything I do in the dirt. What did strike me was the information you related about Sway-A-Way.
Are they still in business?
Last I heard they closed their doors. If they've re-opened for business I surely would like to know. Maybe Sean knows the details about Sway-A-Way.
Fill us in bro!
With due respect, you have your FACTS incorrect. I have no agenda and/or marketing hype... I simply abuse suspension systems in my travels in the dirt. Not only suspension systems but tires, fuel systems, fuel tanks and on and on and on... I don't sell anything, no products, no advertising, no nada... I'm an adventure traveler who just happens to be lucky enough to travel in the dirt for extended periods of time in some of the most challenging terrain in North America... and some companies have asked me-as some of you have been asked previously-to test products. Before-during-after testing, I simply provide data that may provide a manufacturer with data to build bigger and better products that will survive the rigors of a harsh environment.
Sean Lorenz said:
Put a cage in your truck before you make you wife a widow.
TDR looks to you as a leader at this point in the game. Quit stating example after example of foolish behavior without calling your actions out and out stupid. Kids read this stuff, and so do unwitting first time Diesel Heads who will some day hit the dirt to "be like DESERTBULL and his Baja Prerunning posse. "
You proved my point, while you personally didn't get the point.
I was questioning yours, and other, proclaimed virtue that Baja is the only place to test a vehicle. Wasn't it a mellow rutted out berm section at Parker, that turned a famous Race truck on it's lid. How about Barstow main, or the "Trophy Truck" whoops in Plaster City that Greg referred to, or THIS LITTLE SECTION. It's not Baja my friend. That was my point. Testing happens all over the South Western United States.
My point, just as it was last time I dropped the Baja name, is that I see it is funny that the "tried and true", BAJA tested and beat down Race kit, can't handle a small section of 10 whoops in Glamis. Almost peculuar? Is that the joke your referring to?
Now that I'm thinking about it, your one of the few racers who doesn't head to Glamis for fun. Look out, I would bet that some of your team mates may make it out there behind your back.
Even Robby Gordon, yes the same Nascar superstar, who builds Trophy Trucks on the side, makes it to Glamis for Thankgiving. It's been on his schedule for many years now, just like the Baja 1000 and every other SCORE event. Uh oh, I hope your sitting down, because if I recall correctly, he tested his new Dakar race car in Glamis not more than a couple of months ago. What kind of sissy boy would play in the Worlds Biggest Sand Box when there's Baja, eh? Wasn't there a picture of Malcom Smith and his new ride in Glamis posted not to long ago?
Stop beating your chest before you get someone killed,
Sean.
Sean,
First things first fellow Dodge brother ---- I already have a 4130 Chromoly full roll cage in The Desert Tank, apparently your attention to detail is similiar to our brother Mr. JOblenes... PAY ATTENTION - SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
Doing what I do in Baja is far from foolish, you simply have no clue what I really do and what steps we take when we prerun and race. But I understand that you're running your business and your busy... I'm just saying... your perception of my explorations and off road travel may be miscued cuz you just don't know...
And to set the record straight... RG's appearance in Glamis prior to the Dakar Rally was far from a testing session. Once again, FACTUAL details are paramount Sean.
RG and his Hummer H3 appeared on behalf of TOYO Tires who ARRANGED the MEDIA event to publicize the TOYO Tires RG H3 going to the Dakar Rally. Race teams DO NOT go testing in front of the media, cuz when they BREAK the news could be that the test didn't go well. Those are the facts my friend.
Does RG rage in Glamis? Of course, we all know that!
Does the Desertbull rage in Glamis? Of course, I do... but my whole point is that the Sand Drags at Glamis are a far cry in performance testing... . Jake mentioned... the Sand Drags will test a suspension... yes they will... for 10 WHOOPS - What is that? 10 WHOOPS... I say it again. .come down and test your Suspension Products for hundreds of miles for day after day after day and then give us your data... and sell thousands of kits to consumers who demand quality product at a fair price.
Indeed, there are great testing locations all over North America... Baja is not the only location. My point is that going to Barstow (yes we race in Barstow 6 times a year), Plaster City and other locales are great... but you have to go round and round and round and round to put on big miles to ACTUALLY test those products.
Baja provides a test location that is second to none.
Even this morning a person who is highly regarded in the industry as a "suspension guru" commented to me, "They simply don't know if they haven't been - Baja is unrelenting torture that demands the utmost respect. "
Many thanks to all the Dodge brothers that PM'd me about this thread. . your input and comments always make me smile when I'm pushing my truck sideways south of Santa Katrina in Baja's narliest siltbeds.
Keep the rubber side down brethren!
DB
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