Radar Detector

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more info about rmr



Frequently Asked Questions Q: Are radar jammers-scramblers legal?



A: Rocky Mountain Radar's products comply with all FCC regulations. They are reflective receivers that leak no radio energy into the atmosphere.



Q: Over what range do scramblers operate?



A: Rocky Mountain Radar's jammers disable Radar or Lidar guns up to three miles away from a squad car all the way down to the last 50 to 200 feet. At that point, the squad car will be within your sight and you can adjust your speed accordingly.



Q: How does a Scrambler-Jammer differ from a detector?



A: A radar detector gives an audible warning in the presence of police radar but often alerts you too late to allow you to reduce speed. A radar jammer-scrambler gives no warning. It disables the radar/lidar to give the driver time to adjust speed if needed.



Q: How do I know they work?



A: Rocky Mountain Radar is the only jammer manufacturer that routinely has its products tested by independent universities. We are the only company that backs its products with a full one year ticket rebate and a three year warranty. You get a ticket, Manufacturer will pay for it.



Q: Does it really work? A: Here is s what radar experts say: "From the body of test data taken during the road tests of Feb. 8, it is clear that use of these passive jammers does reduce the range of which police radar units can acquire and/or maintain lock (give consistent and accurate speed values of the vehicle) and that this jamming effectiveness can be measured. " Ron R Delyser, PhD - University of Denver



"Conclusion of laboratory tests is the jammer will indeed jam police traffic radars at long range, allowing speeding drivers with radar detectors time to slow down before their speed can be detected. " J. S. H. - University of Northern Florida.

 

[WOT]

Valentine 1 is the BEST.



Not just the unit itself, but the service is outstanding. Yes, you pay for it, but I dropped mine a few years ago (when the unit was 3 yrs old) and called them up thinking I was going to pay out the nose to get it fixed. They said, "ship it to us and well fix it and ship it back. " No hassles, they fixed it and returned it (I was without it for about 1 1/2 weeks).



I firmly believe that a company that stands behind their product is worth the extra money (not to mention it is a superior product in the first place).

 

[SS]

Here's what my personal test of passive "scramblers" showed:



K-band tested with radar stationary, moving at slow speed and high speed, at all distances showed virtually NO EFFECT. The subject radar was able to correctly identify speed during every single run at multiple speeds. The distance the radar recognized speed was the same with or without the "scrambler".



BUYER BEWARE!

 

[Chipstien]

Waste of money out here!

In the Seattle area everything is either laser or instant on radar. When I was using my detector and it went off..... I knew to start thinking of an excuse. Both laser and instant-on radar are undetectable until they shoot ya. :{

 

[JohnMcIntyre]

A word from the wise....

Ditto what Tom (BriarHopper) and others have said about the Valentine One.

Over here in England, in addition to the regular run of radar detectors and laser jammers, the authorities also have started use of cunningly concealed roadside cameras without radar or laser but still hooked upto photo technology and the national DMV center, so if you get caught on camera, they can instantly look you up on the database and process your fine plus points for your licence and stick it (literally!) in the mail to you, all at the drop of a hat.



The good ol' guys at Geodesy in the UK have since bellied upto the bar and produced an affordable Gizmo, which beats them at their own game and which relies upon GPS, a national database of all known fixed camera locations, whatever the technology, plus a local number to dial up for regular database updates, with a generous incentive scheme for all owners to report new ones as they spring up all over the country. Having used the system myself, it's concept is so simple and yet effective. I wonder if it will ever migrate to the USA? (It already has to parts of Europe, (Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium) - perhaps it's just a matter of time?

 

[DiTrani]

V1

I used to have a V1 on my road bike (sold it when I stopped riding on the street). Thinking about getting one for the truck.



Even the best detector is a mixed bag. The V1 was the best 3 years ago, and probably still is (radardetectortest.com looks suspiciously like a site with an agenda - I could be wrong - and C&D could have an agenda too). It absolutely paid for itself in in less than a year (maybe you can tell why I stopped riding on the street!), but it false alarmed 100 times for every real threat. Gets annoying.



Had a cheapo ~$140 Bel before that - it worked better as a paperweight.



I can't comment on how well the V1 might be keeping up with emerging technology, and the newer Passport and Bel seem to get good marks in recent tests, but they are approaching the cost of the V1 now.



BTW, you can get a V1 on eBay for at least $100 cheaper than new, and the factory will service it and upgrade the firmware for a small fee. A guy on a list I'm on got a non-working one for $150 and spent less than $100 getting it working like new with the latest firmware.

 

[chee]

BCT7 scanner

As you can see there are a lot of varying opinions and views out there. After research I ended up with the bel 980 and am happy with it. I do a lot of mountainous driving and I often times do not get ample warning, but usually sufficient, due to hills and curves. I do think this will be a weakness with all of the top detectors. There is an affiliation with Beltronics and Escort as you will notice from test that the performance is very similar.



There is another product out there that no one has mentioned, and that is a scanner. Uniden makes a police scanner BCT7 ( best price I have found ) http://www.usascan.com/files/bct7.html that receives that short range radio repeater that is mounted in the police car that transmits to the officer's hand held. I do not have one as of yet but will be buying one. I have a ham radio that I have programmed to do the same thing and it works really well. If the cop does not have the radar on or if he is using instant on, no matter what detector you have you will not pick him up... but his radio usually transmits quite regular and you will most likely pick his signal up. It is a short range transmission 0-2 miles. So if you pick up a signal you know there is cop in the area. I figured that between the 2 you will get as much protections as you could have. The other item is that, they will clock you from aircraft and no radar det. will find them. The scanner will because they will radio a patrol car to identify the speeding cars.



Which ever one you buy, buy a top rated quality unit. My thought was that the Bel 980 and the BCT7 will still cost less than a V1 and I would have a different type of protecting. My . 02 I thought I would add more confusion... . Too many toys, not enough money!!



Chris

 

[CAT 385]

I have tried everything you can think of except escort. The V1 is expensive but I would pay more for the protection it provides. I have only had it a year and it has paid for itself easily.



The rest of the junk out there is just that junk. They will work for a while when new then they won,t work wt all even on those little portable speed trailers.



I to feel victom of rocky mountain radar and there "jammers" I have a buddy who is a cop I saw him coming down the road one day and decided to blow by him. Needless to say he clocked me just fine, and was kinda mad I even put him in that postion as I was going about 25 over the limit. He let me go and the "illusion" from RMR went in the trash.



Bottom line: Buy a Valentine One, if you don't like it, it has a 30 day money back guarentee.

 

[SA Law]

my 2 cents

as indicated by my user name, i am a police officer here in san antonio... i work on the traffic division and i personally do not think radar detectors are worth the money. i pull people over all the time who have them and never slowed down until it was too late. . also, most big cities are beginning to utilize unmarked aggressive driving units( we have 4 now) so even if ur detector went off, u dont know where its coming from. . but if u ever come to sa ull be safe w/me

 

[Chipstien]

SA Law, I agree whole-heartedly. When I first started driving I was a idiot. Can you believe that I had 4 Negs, 3 speeds, 2 improper lane changes, 3 HOV violations and 5 failure to wear seatbelts on my record at the same time. Funny thing is my insurance never went up and my first accident wasn't untill I was 26. (just recently and in a parking lot). All of those tickets were with the top of the line BEL sitting on the dash going off every 40 seconds. (I was ignoring it) I have found that the best thing to do is to know where the usual spots are for police to run RADAR. Only one of my tickets were recieved on the freeway, all the others were in the city with the detector going off ALL the time. Maybe out in the country they are helpful but not in the city.

PS. I don't drive like that anymore but... . it is hard not to make a little smoke cloud once in a while.

PS. 2 Why do they consider spinning your tires negligent driving?

 

[SA Law]

tire spinning

spinning your tires is a violation because it is known as a precursor to two or more vehicles racing, aka exhibition of speed. also, spinning your tires long enough will produce a smoke cloud that will inhibit the vision of others drivers( so the lawmakers say) and could lead to hazardous driving conditions. i personally only write that violation to young teenage drivers who are trying to impress someone w/their crappy mufflers

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: tire spinning

Originally posted by SA Law

spinning your tires is a violation because it is known as a precursor to two or more vehicles racing, aka exhibition of speed. also, spinning your tires long enough will produce a smoke cloud that will inhibit the vision of others drivers( so the lawmakers say) and could lead to hazardous driving conditions. i personally only write that violation to young teenage drivers who are trying to impress someone w/their crappy mufflers

Correct me if I'm wrong but if they are in a parking lot you can do nothing becasue it is "private property"?



I am just wondering,

Andrew



P. S. -this has not happen to me, but Merrick, want to share some stories? I am sure you got some!

 

[Chipstien]

We were all young and stupid once.

I will say this much, I can make much more smoke from the exhaust then the tires. (Not that I do)

 

[Amianthus]

SA Law, I respectfully have to disagree with your assessment that radar detectors are useless against the smarter LE Officer and his trusty radar gun.

I won't go into detail about traffic radar ( I could go on for hours as this is one of my pet peeves ). If the usefull range of a squad mounted radar is 1/4 mile (that's way generous), but a detector can detect radar up to 2 miles away, you would never know if that person has a detector or not as they would've slowed down enough and you would have no reason to pull them over. Do you see this point?

Instant-on? Whatever. Yes, it is harder to detect but only because of the lack of warning time. It's more of a harder to react to. It's still radar and still subject to the inaccuracies therin. Not to mention, if you shoot it once, you've now warned everyone in a 1 mile area (with a detector) that there is traffic radar operating in the vicinity. Again, the detector works like it's supposed to.

Laser is a little different and I am a huge proponent of laser use for speed statute enforcement. Unfortuneately, radar is one of those things some municipalities refuse to give up as it makes so much revenue.

I'm sure you know all of this and am mostly spouting this for narrative purposes only. So don't take my criticisms of traffic enforcement (with respect to radar) personnaly. It's just a summary of the state of affairs.

One other thing, if the guy buys a radar detector and doesn't heed it's warnings, oh well. It's his / her own fualt for not believing the indications in front of them. JMHO.

 

[DiTrani]

Instant-on, etc.

My V1 warned me of instant-on traps several times (detected pulse on cars way ahead of me). Hard to discern from a false alarm (effective detector use is all about context), but if you treat most signals with a real-until-proven-otherwise attitude, you'll avoid getting caught most of the time (and you'll slow down a lot for no reason) .



It also warned me more than once of a cop driving up behind me at overtaking speed. Seems they had forgotten to turn of their vehicle-mounted radar.



I don't speed much in a car/truck (I was bad on the motorcycle though). Me personally, I find it much more relaxing to set the cruise at 8 mph over the 65 mph limit (supposedly in the safe zone - never been pulled over at that speed) and forego the beeps, warbles, and the need for constant vigilance. I find the trips go by faster (perception, anyway) that way.

 

[Chipstien]

I'm sorry but....

here in the city if I went by what my radar detector told me then I would never get over the speed limit for more than 10 seconds. My buddy has a V1 and it goes off as much as my BEL. As I said before, maybe out in the country they are worth it but here in Seattle they are a complete waste of money. I swear everything must use RADAR.

 

[CAT 385]

You have to uderstand how radar works and how the warnings of your detector operate, otherwise they are just annoying beeps.



My V1 has saved me several times because of beeps in areas I do not usually get beeps. I slow down and more times then not there is a speed trap. But you must get to know the false alarms and how many (the V1 counts the sources).

 

[SA Law]

private lots

if a parking lot is not enclosed w/a ticket gate, and anyone can freely enter and exit , then you can still get a ticket

 

[illflem]

This guy is flying down the road and he comes over

the top of a bridge.

On the other side there is sitting a cop with a radar gun.

The cop pulls the guy over, walks up to the car and asks,

"What's the hurry?"



The guy replies, "I'm late for work. "

"Oh yeah?" says the cop. "What do you do?"

The guy responds, "Well, I'm a rectum stretcher. "



The cop says, "WHAT? A rectum stretcher do " ?

The guy says, "Well, I start with one finger, then

work my way up to two fingers, then three, then

four, then my whole hand, then work until I can get

both hands in there, and then I slowly stretch it

until it's about six foot wide. "



The cop asks, "What the hell do you do with a six foot A-hole?"



The guy replies, "You give him a radar gun and park him at

the end of a bridge. "

 

[Chipstien]

Illflem, ROTFLMAO. That great!Oo. Oo. Oo.