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I sprung a leak in the radiator core. You gotta remove everything in sight to get it out due to the mounting on the sides.

As I am aiming for reliability while towing, I installed a new Gates water pump. Old pump had about 35K on it since being replaced by a Dodge dealer while the original owner had it. Belt the same. I installed a Gates Fleet Runner belt, (the green one) and a new Litens tensioner, as the one on it was a Dayco with a plastic pulley. Litens invented the tensioner so it should be good. New GPD radiator is 1/4 inch thinner than the original but the engine never seemed to get hot even climbing grades. Only time it got hot was when the NAPA thermostat stuck, but it has a genuine Cummins in it, replaced about three years ago. I took the alternator to a shop and they replaced the bearings and brushes. One bearing was getting noisy. While it was off I replaced the short connector hoses on the heater pipe under the alternator and under the exhaust manifold. Used new Cummins parts with the original spring clamps, which are quite strong.

I very carefully sanded the rust and build up off the block face where the water pump and the tensioner sat and coated them with a tacky grease except where the water pump seal sits, so no rust would form again under this stuff

I took off the belt before I had removed the fan. I have the Fluidampr in place of the original crank damper, and the belt really did not want to come thru the gap between the fan and the damper (this is the new damper with the bevel on the back so the belt will clear the water pump during removal) I ended up removing the fan just to get it out of the way. I use a 32/36 mm double open end metric wrench and a aircraft rivet gun with a flat set on it to hit the wrench, but they make a tool for doing this that has the .401 air hammer/rivet gun set made to it.

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Radiator leaked because the shroud was rubbing one of the tubes. With the new thinner core this is a non issue as there is 3/16 or so clearance now. The '03 and early '04 shroud is unique as it blocks off the lower part of the radiator. Everything went together nicely and the fan wires installed properly in the recesses of the shroud and the lower section fit in place nicely locking it in place. Plastic push pins were new last time and still were difficult to push in so I reused them, though I may go back and change them for good measure.

The fan elect connector is loose in the hole it locks into so I install a tywrap thru the bottom of the shroud and around the connector as I have done in the past. wires to the fan hub clear the blades and cannot flex. The fan blades were new a couple of years ago, having been damaged by the water pump failure in 2017.

I found removing the LH wheel well liner made it easy to get the windshield washer bottle out (after the turbo tubes were removed) as I just go out the bottom.

One warning: the bolts for the shroud and PS cooler are almost too long and if you are not careful, the LH upper shroud bolt can be driven right into the radiator tank destroying it. I ended up cutting about a quarter inch off the bolt so it does not hit the tank and was careful with the others to insure clearance from the tip of the bolt to the tank when tight.

I was careful to tape over the turbo, intercooler and intake while the pipes were out, and I have new Gates hoses for the turbo pipes. While the radiator hoses were new four years ago, I am replacing them so everything is new. I have new Mopar hoses and spring clamps coming.

If you have an '03 or early '04 with the original radiator, you will need to check the radiator and shroud for interference and fretting. This is the point where the fan wires exit the gutter in the shroud. You will probably need to remove the lower section, easy, just pull the two fir tree pins and slide it up and out, while laying underneath. Use a mirror to examine the area. Sorry the top pic is sideways. I sanded the area down and then realized that the new radiator core was not going to be close to it. It took 20 years and 116K to fret thru, but you don't want to be buying a radiator for something that stupid.

I use simple green and scrub brush and clean every plastic part as I remove it, shroud, the wheel well liner, the overflow bottle and the washer bottle. You pretty well have to remove the wheel well liner as you cannot get to the wire connectors on the washer bottle any other way, and that bottle needs to be out of there to lift the radiator out, I tried with it in and had no luck, but I don't force stuff either.

I hope this helps someone.
Charles

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Examining the GPD radiator closely, I see that while thinner, at 1¼ inch thick in the core, the core has a single 1¼ inch wide tube, while the original has two rows of tubes, which a good amount of space between them. If you take the 1½ thickness of the old radiator and subtract the gap between tubes, and the tube wall thickness along the edges facing the gap, you get a dimension approaching the 1¼ thick of the GPD radiator. Hopefully it cools just as well.

While assembling the new boots to the turbo hoses, I noticed something interesting (see the attachment).

Left side is completely reassembled except for the upper radiator hose, which hopefully arrives tomorrow. Left side is waiting on the radiator hose and when that is done, I can reinstall the turbo pipe and the air filter box and system, hook up the battery, fill the system and get it running. See the attachments for something I noticed about the turbo to pipe hose also.

Charles

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Well, I completely wrapped up the radiator installation, double checked everything and documented my work and part numbers and brand names of the parts I used, in my maintenance log.

I have been driving the truck to get it hot and letting it sit overnight to purge out air and suck in coolant. I think i have finally purged the air as last couple of drive cycles leaves me at perfect MAX point in the overflow bottle with no decrease in fluid when cold.

I did have a sound that I can only describe as a "sick Kazoo" when I step on the accelerator real hard. I first though it was an induction air leak, so I re-tightened the clamps on the new blue hoses. Finally realized it only made the sound when the A/C was on, and no, I don't think its the compressor or belt slipping there, I think its the fan being engaged (which it does when the A/C is on) and the smooth side of the belt slipping on the fan pulley. I don't normally put my foot in it like that, so I'll ignore that for now.

Truck seems to cool just fine, but I have not towed with it yet. Have started getting the trailer ready for a trip and hope to go in the next couple of weeks. Someplace cool like Mt Pisgah.

I used the old radiator to do a brief video on how to easily remove the radiator petcock threaded insert in the radiator that is used on my original '03 and I know on '04 models, not sure what else. The GPD radiator uses a different type of drain. Hope it helps someone.

Charles
 
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Charles, looks like I may need a radiator pretty soon for my '05. Are you happy with the GDP product? Looks like OEM is obsolete.
Mike
 
Do not ignore that Sound, the pulled you mentioned never slip the belt.
Either the belt is worn, which is rare, you have some oil or coolant onit or the tensioner is weak.
Or the routing.

If that sound wasn't there prior to the replacement you need to find it's cause.
 
Do not ignore that Sound, the pulled you mentioned never slip the belt.
Either the belt is worn, which is rare, you have some oil or coolant onit or the tensioner is weak.
Or the routing.

If that sound wasn't there prior to the replacement you need to find it's cause.

As I noted earlier, the tensioner is a NEW Litens unit, the Belt is a NEW Gates Green Fleet Runner Belt, water pump is NEW Gates, all four pieces of induction piping hose are NEW blue Gates with new clamps, Alternator had both bearings replaced plus the brush holder/brushes assembly, everything routed properly, extremely clean. Only occurs with the A/C on and far more accelerator than I have probably ever before put in it.

Charles
 
Charles, looks like I may need a radiator pretty soon for my '05. Are you happy with the GDP product? Looks like OEM is obsolete.
Mike

Yes, its a nice looking radiator. As I noted, there are slight differences that could be a problem, make sure you don't drive the end of bolts into the radiator tank, that attach the shroud, steering cooler or other parts to the radiator. They are all the same length and one was very close to the tank, so I took a cutting wheel and lopped off the smooth piloted end of it. I think it has to do with the thickness of the plastic they pass thru or some minor difference in the shape of the tank or brackets. The GPD radiator is made in Taiwan.

As I noted in post #2 above, the core is thinner as it is a single row of very wide tubes vs a double row of narrower tubes. This worked to my benefit as it put some air gap between the shroud and the core where it wore thru before. On the '03 and early '04 the bottom of the radiator is blocked by the lower part of the shroud. Wished I had taken a pic of the entire radiator with the shroud on it after I removed it, just to show how much airflow is blocked, its a substantial amount. Your '05 has the engine mounted shroud and the radiator is opened up to airflow on the bottom. I recently replaced the belt, water pump and tensioner on and '06 for a neighbor, and it was darn difficult to access the water pump and tensioner, compared to the '03/'04.

My overflow bottle water level is now stable, same place when cold the last five or six times I have driven it.

Charles
 
“Kazoo” definitely sounds like a boost leak
Even with new air hoses it can be very hard to get everything aligned perfectly in order to tighten down properly !!

Don’t ask me how I know!!!

I took your comment to heart and this evening, i spent a couple of hours, and removed the air filter box and hose, etc to the turbo and broke loose the clamps on the turbo to intercooler pipe. It has a joggle in it so I worked it one way and the other until I found the sweet spot and carefully positioned clamps in somewhat different spots from before, making sure they were not riding up on the tube beading. Put the right side together and loosened the left side and again wiggled and re positioned clamps (one adjacent to the radiator cannot be in any position but where I had it.) Took it for a drive and after it warmed up put my foot in it, NO MORE KAZOO!!!

Charles
 
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