Re: engine/trans, Buy 06, or wait for 07.5

[Blue Thunder]

In the market for a new truck.



Should I wait to get the new motor, or steer clear of the EPA???

 

[BRayls]

I did not wait in 03 and look the 325 was just as strong.

 

[GButia]

I don't know what route dodge/cummins is going. I can tell you my experience though. I had an 03 cummins... . loved that truck. Traded it on a 04. 5 lly dmax. It was a nice truck but... ... . bombing that truck was a b%%ch. The egr and vvt were hard items to get around. Check engine lights, codes with a straight thru exhaust and with a different turbo. You could do some splicing and get around it but in the end I am back to a cummins. I can change the turbo without taking a weekend to do so. The simplicity of the design is great for somebody that wants to tinker in performance. My chevy was an overheater too... ... so if your gonna keep it stock maybe wait..... if you wanna play some, well... the emission stuff kinda sucks to deal with.

 

[Blue Thunder]

That is what I was afraid of.



Anyone hear if dodge is going to come out with a true 'crew' cab/ LB??

 

[Benson]

That is what I was afraid of.



Anyone hear if dodge is going to come out with a true 'crew' cab/ LB??

I remember reading somewhere that that was in the plans. Can't say for sure though.

 

[ACerf]

I am excited to see that DC/Cummins is coming out with larger engine and a Six speed auto trans! This should make those Ford and Chevy fans jump the fence for this baby! My choice would be to wait for the 07. 5!

I was trying to fiqure out who makes the AISIN AS68RC transmission? Is it a DC trans or did it come from some other manufacture?

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

my . 02 for whats its worth, The good things about the '07' s will be it looks like dodge is going to correct the terrible overdrive ratio for the g56, and everyone seems to think the aisin 6 speed will be awesome, which being japanease prolly will be. The problems are it looks like the '07 engine will be much more complicated, with a bunch of added crap to meet emissions, The epa is doing their best to take the advantage away that diesels have, the '06 may be like the 12 valve motors are to the 24valve guys, I for one am most likely getting an '06 with an auto, even though I love 6 speeds, if I would have wanted 4:10 gears I would have ordered them

 

[TX Gooseneck]

I am excited to see that DC/Cummins is coming out with larger engine and a Six speed auto trans! This should make those Ford and Chevy fans jump the fence for this baby! My choice would be to wait for the 07. 5!

I was trying to fiqure out who makes the AISIN AS68RC transmission? Is it a DC trans or did it come from some other manufacture?

Most likely Aisin. They make a ton of stuff, I know the manual hubs on my Toyota were Aisin.

 

[Blue Thunder]

I am excited to see that DC/Cummins is coming out with larger engine and a Six speed auto trans! This should make those Ford and Chevy fans jump the fence for this baby!

No one's gonna jump nuthin unless DC comes out with a regular size crewcab (QuadCab) long bed.

 

[y-knot]

I'm not so sure about what the future holds, on the one hand the larger more powerful 6. 7L Cummins sound great. It has the latest do dads and ultra high rail pressure, but it also has alot more computer control with the emphases on Lower exhaust emissions. The added EPA controls will mean less room for "Adjustment" and may even mean the end of aftermarket tinkering. I think it makes no sense for the government to enforce such strict EPA rulings on the engine makers that cost millions of dollars in R & D, then simply allow the end user to plug in a chip of processor that over rides the EPA settings. I see tighter restrictions being placed on the aftermarket, with high dollar fines to back them up.

The automatic transmissions look great, but MC and Caterpillar already have similar units, not to mention ford is working on a new 6-speed auto as well as Chevy with their Allison. Dodge is the only manufacturer running a 40 year old transmission in it's trucks, so they could put in a first generation Alison and it would be a huge leap forward. I know Toyota and Nissan are coming out with a new Diesel, rumor has it one of them will use the International V-6. And I think Toyota will use the Cummins V-6.

No matter what changes they make to the engines and transmissions, the one thing that is clear is our days of openly being able to adjust and modify the engines performace is coming to an end. I think the poster before the likened the the new engines features to the difference between the old 12V and the 24V is right on. I think it will comprise of the same amount of difference and far thinking, with the catch of not leading it self to aftermarket tampering.

 

[lgjohnson]

The older trucks are really going up in demand because of all the emissions crap coming out on the '07s... .

From what I hear, the OTR fleet operators are buying every 05/06 diesel they can get their hands on to avoid the emissions debacle thats coming out with the '07s... .

You can thank your friendly neighborhood enviro-nazi for that one.....

As much as the manufacturers try to "sugar coat" and "brag" about this and that or how great and wonderful their new motors are, the truth is the new diesels are just not gonna be as good as the older ones..... I mean, really, think about it... . The more complicated the engine and controlling components, the more that can and will go wrong and also more difficult to modify. I would try to get my hands on an 05/06 IF you can find one right now. Until we see how the "emissions debacle" is going to shake out, I'd personally not purchase anything until I was certain that all the bugs were ironed out... and there WILL BE lots of "bugs". I don't want to be a "beta tester" for the new emissions engines... .

Long live the 2nd and 3rd Generations Cummins!!!!

 

[jelag]

I see several things... .



1 - I expect to see emission tests on the new trucks and engines go into effect that will stop the bombing of the trucks..... its hard to do it on a gas engine and I'm guessing its going to be just as hard on the diesels... .



2 - I expect the partlicate filter to give us some problems from the start on bombed engines as its design is to trap the excess particles and with a bombed truck your going to have a bunch...



3- from what I've read, if you order the 2500 or 3500 with a bed,,,, pickup your going to get one set of standards... and if you start to order the new cab and chassis 3500, 4500, 5500, your going to get a second set of standards..... mind you this is what I've read between the lines..... at under certain GVW's to start their going to build out all the old engines and transmissions, and with the start of the cab and chassis there's gonig to be a few of the old combo's to start the line and as the new 6 speed is available it will start in the cab and chassis first and trickle down to the pick-ups...



4 - I can't wait for the 4500 and 5500... I've already deicded to sell 3 of my existing fleet and move up to at least 2 of the 5500's... ... only wish I could write the orders today... . getting rid of older Fords. . 550's and 350's...



5 - I've got a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with all the bells and whistles and I'm very impressed with the quality of the heated seats, nav system, 6 disc changer and blue tooth intergration of the cell phone... . don't have any of this on my 04, 04. 5 and 05 3500's... . and now wish these features on the new cab and chassis.....

 

[CUMMINZ]

I made the move

I made the move and glad of it. The 48re is doing great so far and plan to add exhaust brake. I'll get 40-50k miles out of it before Dodge gets the 4500-5500 with 6 speed auto right. I'll be ready then to move on.



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[BRayls]

take less than 2 weeks to build out the trannys if thats the case. but they were still building them today. y-not remember the motor vehicle tampering act was inplace way back in the late 70's and it does allow them to fine the user(not manufacturer, they stamp for off highway use) for tampering with anything that alters the emissions of the vehicle. that said most of us Oo. are subject to the heavy fines. intake systems will change emissions as easily as chips/boxes. just not as much. only bigger group of offenders I know is harley guys. exhaust,aircleaner and the harley no longer passes.

 

[Blue Thunder]

BRayls,



As someone on the inside, what's the word on a full size CrewCab/Longbed?



Or, a MegaCab/Longbed?

 

[FATCAT]

In the market for a new truck.



Should I wait to get the new motor, or steer clear of the EPA???

Sinced you are an Auto-transmission guy:



- Buy a 2006 with the 48re (super deals right now).

- Spend a few thousand more to upgrade the 48re to bullet-proof status.



You'll still be spending thousands less than some 2007. 5 and you'll have NO EGR, particulate trap, and all the other junk.



Unless you want a true Chasse Cab Dodge, GET A 2006 TODAY!

 

[Blue Thunder]

I think you're right.



But I might go with the 6-speed.

 

[FATCAT]

I think you're right.



But I might go with the 6-speed.

DON'T WAIT TOO LONG ... . pull the trigger and do it this weekend ... no kidding.



And put out an old coffee cans with a slot cut in the top on top of the refrig.

Every day put your loose change and $1 bills in it. In a few months you have the $$$ to upgrade.

 

[BRayls]

rumors I here are slow sales on the mega cab with the hint of dropping the truck. but heck rumors inhouse say we still are in the running for the 6spd auto. maybe its a differant 6 spd rear driver. I am told the 68rfe is a go , but the trans is not HD so it is a hemi trans basically.

 

[jnelson]

Listening to O. O. I. D. A. on xm channel 171 - The cost of "big truck" motors will be $7-10,000 more due to all the new epa garbage. How much will this effect the cost of our trucks?